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When I was a child, we would sit after Communion when the priest sat. But the priest did not sit until all of the Body and Blood were put away. Now, our priest sits and we sit and wait for the Eucharistic ministers to drink the wine and consume the Hosts or put them into the tabernacle. Is this correct? It doesn’t seem right to me but I’ve never been a EM.
 
Is the priest the one who is purifying the vessels. The priest, deacon, or acolyte should be the ones purifying the vessels and not the Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.

God Bless,
Matt
 
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marty1818:
Is the priest the one who is purifying the vessels. The priest, deacon, or acolyte should be the ones purifying the vessels and not the Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.

God Bless,
Matt
Are you talking about the vessels the priest used at the Consecration or the vessels the Em’s are using? May they consume the left over wine or must the priest do it and the same question for the Hosts?
 
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katewithak:
When I was a child, we would sit after Communion when the priest sat. But the priest did not sit until all of the Body and Blood were put away. Now, our priest sits and we sit and wait for the Eucharistic ministers to drink the wine and consume the Hosts or put them into the tabernacle. Is this correct? It doesn’t seem right to me but I’ve never been a EM.
When you return to your seat after receiving Holy Communion you can stand, sit or kneel. I personally kneel always and everywhere even if there are no kneelers. I then sit after the Blessed Sacrament is removed from sight either to the Eucharistic chapel or placed in the taberncale.
 
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katewithak:
Are you talking about the vessels the priest used at the Consecration or the vessels the Em’s are using? May they consume the left over wine or must the priest do it and the same question for the Hosts?
According to the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM), for Mass without a deacon:
  1. When the distribution of Communion is finished, the priest himself immediately and completely consumes at the altar any consecrated wine that happens to remain; as for any consecrated hosts that are left, he either consumes them at the altar or carries them to the place designated for the reservation of the Eucharist.
Upon returning to the altar, the priest collects any fragments that may remain. Then, standing at the altar or at the credence table, he purifies the paten or ciborium over the chalice then purifies the chalice, saying quietly, Quod ore sumpsimus (Lord, may I receive), and dries the chalice with a purificator. If the vessels are purified at the altar, they are carried to the credence table by a minister. Nevertheless, it is also permitted, especially if there are several vessels to be purified, to leave them suitably covered on a corporal, either at the altar or at the credence table, and to purify them immediately after Mass following the dismissal of the people.
  1. Afterwards, the priest may return to the chair…
So if there is no deacon, the priest is sitting down too early. If there is a deacon perhaps he can sit a little earlier, since the 2002 GIRM has:
  1. When the distribution of Communion is completed, the deacon returns to the altar with the priest and collects the fragments, if any remain, and then carries the chalice and other sacred vessels to the credence table, where he purifies them and arranges them in the usual way while the priest returns to the chair. It is also permissible to leave the vessels that need to be purified, suitably covered, at the credence table on a corporal and to purify them immediately after Mass following the dismissal of the people.
Generally it is intended that the ordained priest and deacon consume remaining consecrated wine and hosts. But I remember a letter from the Vatican saying that Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion could assist them in this, at least for the consecrated wine.

On the initial question of “when to sit” the 2002 GIRM has in n. 43: “as circumstances allow, they may sit or kneel while the period of sacred silence after Communion is observed.” If people are saying “The body of Christ” and “Amen” and receiving Communion then it is not the time of sacred silence after Communion, so people should be standing.

Generally if someone is standing, everyone should be standing. According to 2002 GIRM n. 42: “A common posture, to be observed by all participants, is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered for the Sacred Liturgy: it both expresses and fosters the intention and spiritual attitude of the participants.”

The Ceremonial of Bishops also envisages a common posture:
“166. When the bishop returns to the chair after the communion, he puts on the skullcap and, if need be, washes his hands. All are seated and period of prayerful silence may follow, or a song of praise or a psalm may be sung.”
(From Ceremonial of Bishops, Liturgical Press, 1989, ISBN 0-8146-1818-9, page 60).
 
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katewithak:
Are you talking about the vessels the priest used at the Consecration or the vessels the Em’s are using? May they consume the left over wine or must the priest do it and the same question for the Hosts?
EMHC’s should not be purifying the vessels used at the consecration and used by the EMHC’s during mass. .As far as I know the EMHC’s can consume left over Precious Blood so I assume they could do the same for Hosts, but I’m not sure.

God Bless,
Matt
 
**I always thought you were supposed to kneel until the sacrament was put away, but of course those who cannot kneel are permitted to sit.

Somehow, I don’t think choosing whichever posture you feel like is appropriate (no disrepect Brother), but sort of doing what you feel like doesn’t seem right.**
 
Morning Glory said:
I always thought you were supposed to kneel until the sacrament was put away, but of course those who cannot kneel are permitted to sit.

Somehow, I don’t think choosing whichever posture you feel like is appropriate (no disrepect Brother), but sort of doing what you feel like doesn’t seem right.

Well I agree. But looking at the larger Church not all Catholics kneel at the different points indicated in the GIRM. The GIRM is produced in generic form from the Vatican and is reviewed by each Bishops conference and requested modifications submitted for approval to the Vatican. However even in one area there has been differences which is what the GIRM for the US is saying. As noted above it says that a uniform posture is a visable sign of unity. Again “but” after receiving a question about just how to interpret this in relation to posture after Holy Communion. The Vatican agreed that kneeling is the nrom in the US and that the faithful must be free to kneel, (or sit if they can’t kneel) if they wish to stand they can. The time after returning to your seat after Communion is a time of personal prayer and reflection. The Vatican stated that no one is to dictate the posture of the faithful after returning from Holy Communion.

Now for me I think that everyone standing after the Lamb of God to the reception of Holy Communion makes a lot of sense.
 
Would you mind very much if I kneel instead? I wouldn’t want to make you or anyone feel uncomfortable because of kneeling to Our Lord in preparing to receive Him in His True Body Blood Soul and Divinity Presence but I am not concerned about how I posture for others. Its really important to me and its about me and Jesus - you have your own opportunity with Jesus. So it makes more sense to me that I will mind my own business and others should do the same.
 
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grotto:
Would you mind very much if I kneel instead? I wouldn’t want to make you or anyone feel uncomfortable because of kneeling to Our Lord in preparing to receive Him in His True Body Blood Soul and Divinity Presence but I am not concerned about how I posture for others. Its really important to me and its about me and Jesus - you have your own opportunity with Jesus. So it makes more sense to me that I will mind my own business and others should do the same.
You sum up the problem I have with the notion of a common posture following Communion. The object of the Mass is not our neighbor. Rather, it is the Lord. Seems to me we ought to be focused on what is proper for Him.

Some would argue that he wants us to be concerned with our neighbor’s feelings and to be charitable toward’s our neighbor. To this I say: God should be worshiped unconditionally for this one hour and for this one hour, He and He alone should be at the center. When we do this, the time that is meant for friends and family are even richer because of the graces that flow from God just by giving Him what is owed him.

With that, I do what I feel is proper for that relationship I have with God. I remain on my knees until the Blessed Sacrament is out of sight. Not everyone does and it doesn’t bother me that some are sitting and some are standing. I have a mother with a bad back and bad knees. Her standing is as reverent as is my kneeling because it is the best that she can do. For some, it may be sitting. It’s possible that a young person, who appears physically able, could have similar problems with the back or knees. We just don’t know a person’s abilities or limitations, which is why we should be focused on the Lord following Communion.
 
Morning Glory said:
**I always thought you were supposed to kneel until the sacrament was put away, but of course those who cannot kneel are permitted to sit.

Somehow, I don’t think choosing whichever posture you feel like is appropriate (no disrepect Brother), but sort of doing what you feel like doesn’t seem right.**

Oh good heavens, people, I meant sit. We kneel until the Sacrament is put away and then we sit. My question is incredibly simple- Does the priest sit while waiting for ministers, to put the Sacrament away, do we sit when the priest sits, or do we continue to kneel no matter what the priest does until the Sacrament is put away? What are the LITURGICAL NORMS, not your feelings and opinions. I am aksing this question because I am already surrounded by feelings and opinions and that is why the question has come up. I have children to instruct.
 
May I suggest you go to EWTN.org and retrieve the General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) from their document library and learn from that.
 
At our parish, when I am on the altar, the priest and faithful sit after I put away the hosts to be reserved. I then go to the table to purify the vessels. If we have a choir, they lead the after Communion hymn. When the pastor is alone, the EM brings back the hosts to be reserved. The pastor then puts away the remaining hosts, the faithful sit, and he purifies the vessels on the altar.Since we only receive under one specie, it is less complicated. I understand that in some churches, the faithful are being asked to stand until all have received Communion. We still have sitting, standing, and kneeling among the parishioners.

God bless,
Deacon Tony
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
You sum up the problem I have with the notion of a common posture following Communion. The object of the Mass is not our neighbor. Rather, it is the Lord. Seems to me we ought to be focused on what is proper for Him.

Some would argue that he wants us to be concerned with our neighbor’s feelings and to be charitable toward’s our neighbor. To this I say: God should be worshiped unconditionally for this one hour and for this one hour, He and He alone should be at the center. When we do this, the time that is meant for friends and family are even richer because of the graces that flow from God just by giving Him what is owed him.

With that, I do what I feel is proper for that relationship I have with God. I remain on my knees until the Blessed Sacrament is out of sight. Not everyone does and it doesn’t bother me that some are sitting and some are standing. I have a mother with a bad back and bad knees. Her standing is as reverent as is my kneeling because it is the best that she can do. For some, it may be sitting. It’s possible that a young person, who appears physically able, could have similar problems with the back or knees. We just don’t know a person’s abilities or limitations, which is why we should be focused on the Lord following Communion.
These issues indeed are necessary for salvation!! When I kneel, should I have my eyes closed or open, thats my biggest problem.
 
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