Am I discriminating if I believe my marriage has a greater value than homosexual couplings?

[Sk874158]

What you talking about the clues in the name !!! Emm what about heterosexual hello ???

Loving someone and being attracted to someone is centred around sex thats why it’s called a SEX-uality !!!

 

[Sk874158]

Can I get to the bottom line here ! Stop offending people their are gay people out their who can’t do anything about it like me for example and your saying that if I ever get married it will be selfish and sinful I mean what happens if a man and a women get married and one of them was infertile so they couldn’t have kids doesn’t that not mean its pointless because they can’t have kids ??? !!!

You people ruin gay peoples lides by going about telling them their going to hell they didn’t choose to be gay leave them alone and get a grip of your life’s god doesn’t exist !!! I’m not explaining why he just doesn’t when you do nothing happens do you know where you go when you die the same place you went before you where born nowhere !!!

Your brain controls everything so when you die your brains stop working it just starts to decompose you don’t exist its over your not alive !!!

 

[Odell]

Sorry, I missed the reply.

When two people do stop thinking about each other, and start making the sexual act about themselves, you’re right, that is generally a problem. What I’m still missing here is seeing adequate support for this idea that any sexual relationship that isn’t explicitly about conceiving children is destined to become an imbalanced, masturbatory exercise.

I’m not so sure if it’s always destined; to be honest so we can see eye to eye. We may agree more with one another than we think. For instance my wife is pregnant. There is no possible way for her to conceive. I have to be careful because I have slipped into using her before. There has to be something else there to keep it from becoming egocentric. Not sure what it is and how it would be different. Other than the fact that I can look at this time as a gift to become one with my wife without grasping at infertility. The infertility is a gift and I’m not seeking to manipulate her body; in my mind does and can’t but become egosentric.

You keep asking, “What would stop it from happening?” What would stop it is the same basic decency that all healthy, straight couples share. Sometimes, it goes wrong - one person stops putting their share in, and the relationship does suffer as a result. But we don’t need to keep thinking about this in the abstract. Countless straight couples across the world enjoy mutually gratifying, sexually active relationships that don’t focus at all on conceiving children. So we know it can work, and it isn’t a revelation when it does.

Your right the problem comes when emotions fade. What will happen to the relationship? If the mutual gratification is all that held the relationship together nothing is there to keep the relationship together. Welcome to the divorce culture. When the relationship is based on a true gift of themselves the relationship will actually grow stronger and deeper because the only thin to remain is the value of the person.

“love as experience should be subordinated to love as virtue.” PJPII

 

[Odell]

an infertile hetero marriage at the very least models or symbolizes the procreative marriage even if it’s impossible for that couple. That’s still a very powerful symbol for humanity. Moreover, moreover, infertile couples presumably enter marriage wishing they can procreate (and are therefore open to the creation of life). Perhaps praying for a miracle. In these cases, man and woman have entered marriage with the approach that it is a life creating institution, and perhaps with sadness discovered that they can’t take part in that. But they have at least approached marriage with the frame of mind that it is not simply an Ultimate Romantic Commitment.