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You do notice that most of the people who have written on this thread are parents with family responsibilities. That does make a difference!
It gets much better when the children are old enough to help, and the memories bought with all this exhaustion do last a lifetime. In a few years, they are helping with all the baking and decorating, and before you know it they’re all off in homes of their own, sometimes a long ways away. Still, it is better to keep things within the boundaries of reason as much as you can, even when they’re little. It is a gift, after all, to be able to feel pleasure with simple things, to not need a big extravaganza to have it “feel like Christmas.” Most of the time the memories are just as good if the expectations are reeled in, and much better when Mom and Dad look happier! 👍
 
I know many parents, mothers especially, whose favorite day of the Chtistmas season is December 26, not the 25th!
This is definitely me. I usually host Christmas for 10 to 20 people, and I genuinely love the weeks of preparation and madness and the being in charge of making it a lovely day for everyone… but it’s the next day that is just for me. (Aussies call this Boxing Day)

I always feel relieved that it’s all over and uncomfortable about the messiness. (The wheelie bin overflowing and leftovers jammed into every corner of every fridge etc). But like this Boxing day, I stayed in my pajamas 'til lunch and ate chocolates for morning tea. Then had leftover pork and apple sauce sandwiches with leftover plum pudding and custard and leftover wine for lunch. Then had a sleep in the afternoon and had more leftovers and a glass of tawny that my daughter had given me for Christmas day and then left the washing up until the next morning.

You do have to put effort into creating some sort of tradition that defines Christmas… even if you are alone. The birth of Christ is the best thing that ever happened to the world and we need to make the day we celebrate that stand out from all the other days in joyful way. You do have to turn the sadness it can inspire… to joy. For eg. our first child was stillborn on Christmas day 24 years back, but early on I made a commitment to find a joyful aspect to dwell on. It’s pretty special to have an angel in heaven who shares Christ birthday celebrations!! It’s meant to be a happy occasion. I’ll save the sorrows of my life for Good Friday.
 
This is definitely me. I usually host Christmas for 10 to 20 people, and I genuinely love the weeks of preparation and madness and the being in charge of making it a lovely day for everyone… but it’s the next day that is just for me. (Aussies call this Boxing Day)

I always feel relieved that it’s all over and uncomfortable about the messiness. (The wheelie bin overflowing and leftovers jammed into every corner of every fridge etc). But like this Boxing day, I stayed in my pajamas 'til lunch and ate chocolates for morning tea. Then had leftover pork and apple sauce sandwiches with leftover plum pudding and custard and leftover wine for lunch. Then had a sleep in the afternoon and had more leftovers and a glass of tawny that my daughter had given me for Christmas day and then left the washing up until the next morning.

You do have to put effort into creating some sort of tradition that defines Christmas… even if you are alone. The birth of Christ is the best thing that ever happened to the world and we need to make the day we celebrate that stand out from all the other days in joyful way. You do have to turn the sadness it can inspire… to joy. For eg. our first child was stillborn on Christmas day 24 years back, but early on I made a commitment to find a joyful aspect to dwell on. It’s pretty special to have an angel in heaven who shares Christ birthday celebrations!! It’s meant to be a happy occasion. I’ll save the sorrows of my life for Good Friday.
I’m sorry about your child. We had a family member who died on Christmas Eve several years ago, too. We have a special ornament on the tree for her. And yes, it is better to use Fridays to meditate on our sorrows. It is good and necessary work, we can’t just “not do it”, but it needs to have its own time. Joined to the sorrows of Our Lord and Our Lady, our sorrows become lighter and–I don’t know how to put this?–cleaner somehow. It puts the light of the Resurrection on to them, I suppose, like knowing your little one and our relative are in a place to intercede for us.

Yes, I love the leftovers on the 26th–the best leftovers of the whole year!! When you are worn out, it is just the thing. Besides, the return shoppers are out on the town on the 26th. Better to leave that to those who enjoy shopping as a contact sport!! 😃
 
  1. It’s ok to be “different” during the wonderful holiday season, but please don’t get the idea that you are “superior” to the rest of us who love the hustle and bustle, who eat too much, spend too much, laugh and cry too much, and sleep too little. You’re just different, not better. Take a really hard, honest, searching look at why you are doing what you are doing, and make sure it isn’t because of some cynical “They’re so foolish and I’m not” attitude.
I’m sorry if you got the impression that I somehow feel “superior” to others. Trust me, I don’t. Quite the opposite, in fact. I feel vastly inferior when others look down on me because I don’t subscribe to the modern views of how “the holidays” should be.

I don’t like turkey, and I’m very gluten sensitive, so the traditional American holiday meals are a no-go for me. The few times I’ve suggested different meals to friends and family have been met with less than enthusiastic responses. The only person who eats the gluten-free dessert I bring (usually a flourless chocolate torte) is me. Noone else will try it because it’s not “traditional”.

As for the shopping, I don’t understand the idea of getting something for every single person I know, just to get them something. First, I don’t have the money. Second, it seems like it’s better to give a generic gift to everyone you know than to try to give a meaningful gift to those most important to you. I just can’t do that - spend money on something someone else probably doesn’t need or want. I hate to sound ungrateful, but I don’t need yet another scarf/hat/glove set, nor do I need yet another cute coffee mug (I don’t drink coffee or tea or cocoa); and people get hurt feelings when I donate something they’ve given to me.

Maybe I do think people are foolish because I just don’t understand why people (at least some that I know) rush around, try to find the “perfect gift” for everyone, spend a lot of time and energy on creating “the perfect meal” when it’s over in less than an hour, AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT IT! My attitude is that life is too short to deliberately add stress to your life. The only year I have hosted Christmas dinner, my family complained because I didn’t serve a “traditional” meal, it wasn’t elaborate enough, I didn’t have formal “Christmas-y” table linens, we used disposable plates and plasticware, and my home wasn’t decorated “enough”. I thought everything was great and stress-free, but my offers to host since have been turned down.
  1. Are you like this all year, or just at during the holidays? If you are happy and outgoing during the rest of the year, please be careful to discern whether something has happened in your past that has made you withdraw from society during a time when everyone else is getting out of the house to volunteer at charitable events, sing in choirs, ride sleighs, go ice skating, and most of all, participate in joyous celebrations with family and friends. It is not healthy for you to suppress past tragedies. Get some counselling.
I guess I am like this all year. No past trageies other than the one time I hosted, and even that wasn’t really any sort of tragedy. I do, however, acknowledge that I have an anxiety disorder, which is well-controlled most of the time. But when others try to force certain things on me, like all of the holiday hubbub, I have to retreat from it or take medication - or both - in order to be civil instead of a stressed-out monster.

I do enjoy volunteering, singing in the choir (sometimes), going skating, etc., but I do those things throughout the year. I don’t try to cram it all into the space of a month or two, nor do I feel the need to do these things jst because it’s “the holidays”. I enjoy getting together with friends and family throughout the year, but it seems that everyone feels obligated to take on so much just because it’s Thanksgiving and/or Christmas. It’s like there is some cultural ideal of what “the holidays” should be like that everyone tries to live up to, and I’ve stopped trying to live up to it because doing so causes too much added pressure, stress and anxiety for me.
  1. No matter how you choose to celebrate giving thanks at the end of the harvest, and celebrating the various feast days in December, especially Jesus’ birthday, please don’t become a misanthrope. You probably do more good for mankind by praying for us than many of us do with all our busy-ness. That’s good, and I’m thankful for you! But don’t become closed off from mankind, hide away from them, and grow estranged from them. Christ loved us so much that He became one of us. We should not despise our fellow human beings. Find someone to enjoy Christian fellowship with during the holidays. Upon reading this thread, you can see that there are plenty of people who share your approach to the holidays–find them in your real life and be with them.
I’m a misanthrope just because I choose not to like all the things that others do? I may prefer the less noisy and chaotic (and less crowded) atmosphere of the chapel during Christmas (and Easter), but I pray for those who go to Mass only once or twice a year, that this will be the year they decide to give themselves more fully to God and start attending Mass regularly. I am thankful that Jesus came to live among us two thousand years ago, blessed and grateful that He is present today in the Eucharist, and look forward to His return. I guess I didn’t realize that the fact that I choose to focus on Advent during the month of December and I don’t try to make Christmas out to be some month-long party gives others the impression that I am somehow “closed off” from others and/or that I despise people. 🤷
 
  1. It’s ok to be “different” during the wonderful holiday season, but please don’t get the idea that you are **“superior” **to the rest of us who love the hustle and bustle… and make sure it isn’t because of some cynical “They’re so foolish and I’m not” attitude.
  1. Are you like this all year, or** just at during the holidays**? If you are happy and outgoing during the rest of the year, please be careful to discern whether something has happened in your past that has made you withdraw from society during a time when everyone else is getting out of the house to volunteer at charitable events, sing in choirs, ride sleighs, go ice skating, and most of all, participate in joyous celebrations with family and friends. ** It is not healthy for you to suppress past tragedies**. Get some counselling.
  1. No matter how you choose to celebrate giving thanks at the end of the harvest, and celebrating the various feast days in December, especially Jesus’ birthday, please don’t become a misanthrope. .
Please let us learn not use words out of context, or reach conclusions that are not based on any facts in this thread. Let us also also be **respectful **in things that are just matter of opinion, individual personality types and life circumstances. The Church in no way tell us how we should celebrate Christmas, except for the fact that we should remember that it is about Jesus and remember the most needy.

Firstly, even if you were a mental health professional, how could you trace such definite psychological profile of someone you don’t know at all?** In this thread,** the OP never expressed superiority feelings towards anyone. On the contrary, the OP was looking for other people who might felt the same and no one was disrespectful of whom celebrate otherwise (until now). On the opposite, when you dictate that she should celebrate in a “hustle and bustle” way just because the “rest of us”, “the rest of us” meaning the majority you are appealing to some kind of superiority. And we all know that argumentum ad populum is not the basis of Truth in Christianity.

Your second point is of huge concern. You not only diagnosed the OP with superiority complex , but you uncovered the underlying causes. I bet neither Freud could do that.

And you couldn’t end without leaving one last label, could you?. Ah, Misanthropy, the general hatred, distrust or disdain of the human species or human nature. I wonder again, in what part the OP disclosed the feelings towards her/his community, society or humanity in general?

With all due respect, I really don’t know what made you do such hostile post. There is a reason why psychological diagnosis are not made online. The least with just one post you to arrive to such advanced conclusions. The risk is that one day you may reach someone not in a good moment only to catastrophic results.

Peace be with You

P.S.: Happiness not for everyone means Hustle and Bustle.
 
I just want to clarify one thing I wrote lest it be misconstrued.
Maybe I do think people are foolish because I just don’t understand why people (at least some that I know) rush around, try to find the “perfect gift” for everyone, spend a lot of time and energy on creating “the perfect meal” when it’s over in less than an hour, AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT IT! My attitude is that life is too short to deliberately add stress to your life.
I am in no way insinuating that those who enjoy all the hustle and bustle or have family obligations (kids) should not complain if the feel the need of things become overwhelming. It just seems to me that a lot of people spend a lot of time and money to make the holidays “perfect”, including most of my family members and friends. Nobody I know lives life like you see in tv commercials or print ads. I have yet to meet a family like the ones in the Lifetime movies. I have learned that the pursuit of “perfection” leads to nothing but anxiety in my life, not just during the holidays, but all the time. It’s been difficult for me to learn to let things be “good enough” and to seek what makes me happy, and I still have a long way to go.

I probably don’t actually hate “the holidays”, just all the things I feel are needless and seem to be foisted upon us by the mysterious “them” who play on our fears that we are somehow not “good enough” or haven’t done things the “right way” unless we follow the cultural norm and/or our lives and homes look like a magazine spread. I guess I should thank Cat for helping me p(name removed by moderator)oint exactly what I don’t like about this time of year.

BTW, I did try to be “festive” by wearing a Rudolph bun (Google it if you don’t know what this is) to Mass the Sunday before Christmas, but our priest didn’t seem to think it was appropriate for a EMHC - even though it didn’t show from the front. At least I didn’t wear an “ugly sweater” that everyone coming up for Communion would be forced to look at. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I hope everyone has a peace-filled and blessed 2014. 🍰
 
I want write more later, but I am thinking about the Christmas meal right now. Living in Southern California, I tend to think of the traditional Christmas meal as tamales and whatever goes along with that. I am caucason, and from a British-American family. I am not even married to a Mexican-American. But this is what I love to eat on Christmas. So there are no expectations about making them ourselves. They can be ordered ahead of time. If they are not eaten on Christmas, there are usually some at parties during the season.

I look so forward to the taste of a tamale at Christmastime. When my sister married her husband of Italian decent and started hosting Christmas Eve, the meal began to be the traditional Italian meal of lasagana or another pasta dish. To my delight, someone brought some tamales this Christmas! So we had traditional Italian and traditional Mexican (or So Cal) food.

What is traditional doesn’t have to be turkey. And creating two turkey with trimming meals within 6 weeks or less is asking too much.

P.S. I just noticed you are from Texas. I must be preaching to the choir about tamales!
 
What is traditional doesn’t have to be turkey. And creating two turkey with trimming meals within 6 weeks or less is asking too much.
I had to google tamales as I’ve never heard of them. They do look yum.

I come from the tropics ie. Queensland, and turkey has never been center stage at Christmas. I don’t really ‘get’ turkey anyway. To me it’s like eating carp over salmon. When I was a kid, Christmas was roast pork and crackling, roast chicken and roast veg. Christmas Pud, custard and jelly.

Nowadays a traditional Queensland Christmas table centerpiece is this…

http://www.grunskesbytheriver.com.au/images/gallery/CookedTigerPrawns.jpg

and this…



Prawns and pavlova.
 
Ok.

Here’s what I wrote:

“It’s ok to be “different” during the wonderful holiday season, but please don’t get the idea that you are “superior” to the rest of us”

I did NOT say that I have the impression that you somehow feel superior to others.

I said, “Please don’t get the idea that you are superior to the rest of us.”

I was cautioning you to be careful not to develop an attitude of superiority. That is not the same as saying that you have that attitude.

Here’s what I wrote:

“…please don’t become a misanthrope.”

I did NOT say that you are a misanthrope.

I said, “please don’t become a misanthrope.” If I thought you were already a misanthrope, why would I tell you not become one?!!!

Here’s what I wrote:

“You probably do more good for mankind by praying for us than many of us do with all our busy-ness. That’s good, and I’m thankful for you!”

I will take the charitable approach and say that I obviously wrote a confusing post in which I did not make myself clear.

So I’ll repeat it, just in case it’s still not clear:
You do NOT feel superior to the rest of us and you are NOT a misanthrope. I caution you to be careful not to develop these attitudes.

OK? I apologize for the confusing writing on my part.
 
Please let us learn not use words out of context, or reach conclusions that are not based on any facts in this thread. Let us also also be **respectful **in things that are just matter of opinion, individual personality types and life circumstances. The Church in no way tell us how we should celebrate Christmas, except for the fact that we should remember that it is about Jesus and remember the most needy.

Firstly, even if you were a mental health professional, how could you trace such definite psychological profile of someone you don’t know at all?** In this thread,** the OP never expressed superiority feelings towards anyone. On the contrary, the OP was looking for other people who might felt the same and no one was disrespectful of whom celebrate otherwise (until now). On the opposite, when you dictate that she should celebrate in a “hustle and bustle” way just because the “rest of us”, “the rest of us” meaning the majority you are appealing to some kind of superiority. And we all know that argumentum ad populum is not the basis of Truth in Christianity.

Your second point is of huge concern. You not only diagnosed the OP with superiority complex , but you uncovered the underlying causes. I bet neither Freud could do that.

And you couldn’t end without leaving one last label, could you?. Ah, Misanthropy, the general hatred, distrust or disdain of the human species or human nature. I wonder again, in what part the OP disclosed the feelings towards her/his community, society or humanity in general?

With all due respect, I really don’t know what made you do such hostile post. There is a reason why psychological diagnosis are not made online. The least with just one post you to arrive to such advanced conclusions. The risk is that one day you may reach someone not in a good moment only to catastrophic results.

Peace be with You

P.S.: Happiness not for everyone means Hustle and Bustle.
Please read my post above. Thank you.

I never said in my post that the OP “felt superior” or “is a misanthrope.” I never said that she should celebrate Christmas like the “rest of us” do.

If you see that I actually wrote any of that, please quote it to me. Thank you. ** I THOUGHT that I merely cautioned her to be careful not to allow these attitudes to develop in herself.** If I thought that she already had these attitudes, then why would I tell her to be careful not to develop these attitudes? :confused:

If I really wrote that the OP was “feeling superior to others” or that she “is a misanthrope” or that “she should celebrate the hustle and bustle the way the rest of us do,” then I need to call my doctor, because I’m not seeing that in my post. That’s why I would appreciate it if you would quote these things to me from my post.

FInally, if you review my post and do NOT find any of the things that you are saying that I wrote, I would really appreciate it if you would let me know.
 
I just want to clarify one thing I wrote lest it be misconstrued.

I am in no way insinuating that those who enjoy all the hustle and bustle or have family obligations (kids) should not complain if the feel the need of things become overwhelming. It just seems to me that a lot of people spend a lot of time and money to make the holidays “perfect”, including most of my family members and friends. Nobody I know lives life like you see in tv commercials or print ads. I have yet to meet a family like the ones in the Lifetime movies. I have learned that the pursuit of “perfection” leads to nothing but anxiety in my life, not just during the holidays, but all the time. It’s been difficult for me to learn to let things be “good enough” and to seek what makes me happy, and I still have a long way to go.

I probably don’t actually hate “the holidays”, just all the things I feel are needless and seem to be foisted upon us by the mysterious “them” who play on our fears that we are somehow not “good enough” or haven’t done things the “right way” unless we follow the cultural norm and/or our lives and homes look like a magazine spread. I guess I should thank Cat for helping me p(name removed by moderator)oint exactly what I don’t like about this time of year.

BTW, I did try to be “festive” by wearing a Rudolph bun (Google it if you don’t know what this is) to Mass the Sunday before Christmas, but our priest didn’t seem to think it was appropriate for a EMHC - even though it didn’t show from the front. At least I didn’t wear an “ugly sweater” that everyone coming up for Communion would be forced to look at. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I hope everyone has a peace-filled and blessed 2014. 🍰
My pet peeve is that Advent gets short shrift and Christmas is deemed “over” on December 26. If all the “highlights” have to be crammed into the period from some time late Christmas Eve afternoon until the night of Christmas Day and every member of the family within driving distance must be seen and included in some celebration or other, if every surface including the bathroom has to be decorated and every item of food and clothing has to be splendid, who wouldn’t get overloaded? Who wouldn’t feel left out if they have a quiet Christmas, instead, of if they don’t have the means to pay for all of that, because they lack the time, or the money, or a physical way to see their loved ones? It isn’t good for anyone. It is nuts.

I say spread it out over the whole Christmas season, or at least over the Octave, and dial back the expectations. A birthday does not have to have a “theme” and trimmings from the first minute to the last and excitement built into all of it for every participant, it doesn’t have to meet some tremendous set of expectations to be pleasurable and worthwhile–and news flash, it doesn’t even have to happen on the exact day of the birthday nor does it have to include gifts selected by extravagant mind-readers!!–and neither does Christmas. The only obligation for the Solemnity itself is to attend Mass, and that only when it is possible. The rest ought to be seen in the knowledge that the holy day was created to enhance the lives of the people, and shouldn’t become a situation where the lives of people are made to revolve around the holiday.
 
I don’t mean it is always wrong to be extravagant. I mean that the extravagance gets to be wrong when it fails to serve those involved with it (or keeps them from actual duties, such as almsgiving or prudent care of health and welfare, that kind of thing).

The “allowed” level of extravagance is going to be somewhat different level for everyone, so it is better not to judge whether other people are over-doing it or under-doing it. Let go of the expectations that have gone so far that they harm instead of enhance our celebration of the mystery of the Nativity of the Lord, that is what I am trying to say. Let others enjoy what they have, and whatever you have, try to change it to make it enjoyable when you can and as much as possible rejoice in what you have and can’t change. That is all I mean.
 
I had to google tamales as I’ve never heard of them. They do look yum.

I come from the tropics ie. Queensland, and turkey has never been center stage at Christmas. I don’t really ‘get’ turkey anyway. To me it’s like eating carp over salmon. When I was a kid, Christmas was roast pork and crackling, roast chicken and roast veg. Christmas Pud, custard and jelly.

Nowadays a traditional Queensland Christmas table centerpiece is this…

http://www.grunskesbytheriver.com.au/images/gallery/CookedTigerPrawns.jpg

and this…

http://joinusfordinner.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/pavlova.jpg

Prawns and pavlova.
Looks yummy. I would want some spicy cocktail sauce to dip the prawns in. And some champagne or wine to go with it. One Christmas Eve it was just my mother and me (as an adult). She surprised me with lobster and melted butter. Oh, that was good!
 
What is traditional doesn’t have to be turkey. And creating two turkey with trimming meals within 6 weeks or less is asking too much.

P.S. I just noticed you are from Texas. I must be preaching to the choir about tamales!
I absolutely LOVE tamales! I buy lots of extras and put them in my freezer for the rest of the year.

My family is pretty set in their ways. Traditional Thanksgiving dinner is turkey. My mom sometimes gets crazy at Christmas and cooks ham instead. :sigh: The sides are always the same though. I would love to explore other traditions.

And those prawns look yummy!
 
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