Amateur historical analysis of Eden and the Flood

[Dissenter]

Living under a rock of stumbling does prevent you from knowing the scientific evidence clearly available in the sedimentary rock globally. Those layers document a fossil record of animals and aquatic life that cannot be present in certain parts of the world without having been carried there. Not to mention, fossilized creatures upon mountains that could not have them unless covered by water. Maybe you just arrived on planet earth and don't know these things............

What does any of that have to do with there being no consistent evidence of a worldwide flood in late prehistory?

Actually, science does prove we all descend from an Africa woman.

Mitochondrial Eve is thought to have lived 160,000 years ago.

There is an African tribe that possess what science calls the Eve gene. Only black women can carry it. They are an African tribe who can produce blue eyes and such and have the "mitochondrial Eve", gene. That means, that particular group of people have the genetics to produce people of all races.

It actually only means she is an ancestor to every person alive today. But her teeth genes, for example, are not present in all persons because persons with Neanderthal ancestry got the gene for shovel-shaped incisors from Homo neanderthalensis.

They are the only ones to possess it. It also explains how after the flood Noah son's and their wives could repopulate the earth with different races. Clearly, someone was black and had that gene on the ark. If anything, one or more of the women on the Ark was black. It is passed down by the women. The only way that is possible, is if the first woman was Black-Eve. Which makes sense, for all the blend of race would make black. To un-blend and disperse is simply to select of already preexistent genetic codes. That doesn't mean Adam had to be black.

Science has discovered that everyone whose evolutionary ancestors left Sub-Saharan Africa before the extinction of Neanderthals carries between 1-4% Neanderthal DNA including Eurasians, Native Americans, and Oceanians. Many South Asians have a little DNA from Homo denisovus and Aboriginal Australians and Melanesians have between 3-6% denisovan dna. A meta-study of DNA data found some humans have living ancestry from Homo erectus, H.ergaster, H.habilis, H.naledi, H.rudolfiensis, and various as-yet-undiscovered prehistoric hominins. These facts do not suggest the human race sprang from one family 4400 years ago. It suggests humans were in Eurasia before Neanderthals went extinct 40,000 years ago and reached Australia before Denisovans went extinct.

Explains the importance of the Song of Solomon and the image of Mekeda- a black woman, as an example of the image of Christ's Bride.

Oddly, I just had read that. She clearly says she was tan from working in the vineyard.

For that song is first and foremost God's song in code. It represents the blend of all races, for all are loved and created by God. The Bride is a multicultural people. The prediction of all races being brought into the Covenant God made, is symbolized in Joseph's Coat of Many Colors as well.

Unfortunately, it might mean he was.....for sale. There's even a Dolly Parton song: "...the coat of many colors that my momma made for me."

Try to tell that to the racist Jews though.

They probably have a better clue about what it means.

I'm glad I'm not racist though. It simply means, Eve had to be black and also possessed the genetics to produce all the ethnicities we see in our world.

You have subverted the Word of God into a way to virtue signal. Joseph's coat and the Song of Songs don't support racism, they just don't "go there," so to speak. Racism is not what they were talking about at the time.

Science likes to couple theories to truths it discovers to try and make valid its lies and discredit scripture. Just like the fact that, adaptation was programmed into our DNA concerning the fall of man. To that truth they couple an unproven theory called the Theory of Evolution. Without a fossil record to support that theory they try to validate it with an obvious truth called adaptation. Adaption is a preexistent trigger that allows a creature to adapt to environmental stressors. It is not an adding of new DNA but a tapping into preexistent survival mechanisms to deal with the fallen world. Just as you try to argue " a lack of fossils' to verify a flood, (unsubstantiated claim by you mind you) for sure there is no substantial evidence for Evolution- species being able to add nonexistent DNA strands making it a completely different species. Definitely no fossil record to support that. Nephilim hybrids don't count as an evolutionary species either.

Archeological DNA only goes back so far. From Wikipedia: "Even under the best preservation conditions, there is an upper boundary of 0.4–1.5 million years for a sample to contain sufficient DNA for sequencing technologies." So archaeologists and paleontologists simply don't have the prehistoric DNA to test your theory. Don't forget mutations, though. Out of all the millions of mutations, occasionally one is successful and is passed on.

 

[Shulammite]

There are over 2,000 allegedly Bible-based Protestant sects in addition to the Catholic and Orthodox churches, so whatever do you mean by "know scripture?" A lotta people know a lot of Scripture as well as the history and context surrounding it, and we are far from a consensus.

If the scriptures are literally true, why is there no archeological evidence of a worldwide flood? Why hasn't genetics found all people are descended from one family which lived 4,000 to 5,000 years ago? Why are some of the stories clearly based on similar stories from other cultures, like the Epic of Gilgamesh?

"There are over 2,000 allegedly Bible-based Protestant sects in addition to the Catholic and Orthodox churches, so whatever do you mean by "know scripture?" A lotta people know a lot of Scripture as well as the history and context surrounding it, and we are far from a consensus."

Yeah, and a lot of people know math not all are master mathematicians. Point is, knowing something and having a mastery in the knowledge of it are two different things. That is why it is said in scripture James 3: 1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. Many say they know scripture and may even say they have mastery in their knowledge. However, there are only few in mastery. The rest think too highly of themselves and bring about a miscarriage of knowledge.

Oddly, I just had read that. She clearly says she was tan from working in the vineyard.

Yet it was about a Shulammite. Whether she is dark and lovely for working in a vineyard is mere allegory, it concerns the royal color of the soul. For no doubt she is dark and Lovely and the Bride is considered that on account of royal color of her soul. Since it is about a spiritual body of believers, you are not qualified to speak upon the matter considering you don't believe scripture anyway. How can one have mastery in what he calls disprovable? That mastery is given by the Beloved whom you doubt. As for all the rest you posted, back at you. What does anything you say have to do with any truth I posted? Putting science against science simply shows there are two sides to every coin. I noticed I had to be prevented from responding for a while. Because I move so fluidly and with ease, one needs to get his wits together to formulate a responsive.

I write off the cuff of Christ. I act in the moment. I am given an arrangement to an eternal song that I am permitted to rearrange the instruments, while it is always the same song.

Song of Songs 6:13 Return, return, O Shulammite, return, return, that we may look upon you. Why should you look upon the Shulammite, as upon a dance before two armies?

 

[Dissenter]

Many say they know scripture and may even say they have mastery in their knowledge. However, there are only few in mastery. The rest think too highly of themselves and bring about a miscarriage of knowledge.
Since it is about a spiritual body of believers, you are not qualified to speak upon the matter considering you don't believe scripture anyway.

Oh, I believe in Scripture, but some of it is not meant to be taken in a fundamentalist way.

What does anything you say have to do with any truth I posted? Putting science against science simply shows there are two sides to every coin. I noticed I had to be prevented from responding for a while. Because I move so fluidly and with easy, one needs to get his wits together to formulate a responsive.

You can only claim you are putting science against science because you gloss over the parts which don't support your fundamentalism.

Those layers document a fossil record of animals and aquatic life that cannot be present in certain parts of the world without having been carried there. Not to mention, fossilized creatures upon mountains that could not have them unless covered by water. Maybe you just arrived on planet earth and don't know these things............

I am not sure what "fossil record of animals and aquatic life" were carried to places they could not be present in without a worldwide flood happening 4400 years ago. Did you bother to look at whether the science you feel proves the flood in fact had another explanation or if the life was carried there at around the alleged time of the alleged flood?
Geological processes raised the mountains. The Himalayas are still rising for example. The fossils are thought by science to be a good deal older than the presumed date of the alleged flood.

That means, that particular group of people have the genetics to produce people of all races.

From permission2think.substack.com: "As Learn further posits in his article:

In reality, a mitochondrial Eve is not the first female of a species, but merely the most recent female historically from which all living animals of a species can trace their ancestry. Think of her like the peak of a genealogical pyramid, in which all ancestors of a species meet. While everyone below is descended from her, that doesn’t mean that there is no other female above her, or that lived at the same time as her. Perhaps some of her contemporaries had no surviving children. Or they only had sons, which wouldn’t have passed on their mitochondrial DNA."

Mitochondrial DNA is only part of a person's DNA.

Besides, some traits are thought to have come from Neanderthals or Denisovans after the descendants of Mitochondrial Eve left Africa, and only some humans have a few percent of Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA. We only share some of her DNA from way back. Other bloodlines from her era may survive in some but not all individuals. For example, some people have living DNA from H.erectus, H.ergaster, H.habilis, H.naledi, H.rudolfiensis, and various as-yet-undiscovered prehistoric hominins, but definitely not all people. And some human DNA from her era which is not hers probably lives on along with her mitochondrial DNA, as stated by my quote.

White skin is thought to have mutated into existence in one single individual who lived 10-9000 years ago somewhere between Israel and India and all whites are related to him. The people in Africa (and the West Pacific) stayed black because whiteness only conferred an advantage where it wasn't so sunny. That was long before the alleged time of the alleged flood.

Science says the oldest complete skeleton found in Britain was black but otherwise related to contemporary Englishmen. Google "Cheddar man." He was there 9,000 years ago and they found a living descendant nearby. Did Cheddar Man's family move to the Middle East and somehow join Noah's family, then move back to Britain?

Last but not least, Mitochondrial Eve is thought to have lived 160,000 years ago, not around the time of the flood, 4400 years ago. Do you think anyone had a living memory of what happened 160,000 years ago, so that Moses could write it down in the Book of Genesis?

You cherry pick what part of science you want to believe in because you only want to find support for your fundamentalism.

 

[Shulammite]

Science has discovered that everyone whose evolutionary ancestors left Sub-Saharan Africa before the extinction of Neanderthals carries between 1-4% Neanderthal DNA including Eurasians, Native Americans, and Oceanians. Many South Asians have a little DNA from Homo denisovus and Aboriginal Australians and Melanesians have between 3-6% denisovan dna. A meta-study of DNA data found some humans have living ancestry from Homo erectus, H.ergaster, H.habilis, H.naledi, H.rudolfiensis, and various as-yet-undiscovered prehistoric hominins. These facts do not suggest the human race sprang from one family 4400 years ago. It suggests humans were in Eurasia before Neanderthals went extinct 40,000 years ago and reached Australia before Denisovans went extinct.

Are Neanderthals human or some subhuman species?

 

[Dissenter]

Are Neanderthals human or some subhuman species?

They were a different species, as were Homo denisovus. I don't know quite what you mean by "subhuman." The concept of being human was defined by people with 1-4% Neanderthal ancestry after all.

All our ancestors were "cavemen." None of our ancestors were living in subdivisions of manufactured housing 40,000 years ago.

Besides, even if you are in fact a person of Sub-Saharan African descent, you might have Neanderthal DNA because some of them do.

 

[Shulammite]

Oh, I believe in Scripture, but some of it is not meant to be taken in a fundamentalist way.

fundamentalist: a person who believes in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture in a religion:

And what is Genesis interpreting? Last I knew you are interpreting Genesis. If you believe scripture is holy inspired who is God interpreting?

Literal: taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or exaggeration:
What is " each produced according to its own kind" a metaphor of?

What is the story of creation a metaphor of when it preexists any and all modern-day interpretations (that you apply)? The only metaphor I see is what is said to the snake (Lucifer) who was called that because of his double speak =serpent's tongue. Cursed to crawl on his belly and to eat dust for all the days of his life. Not only is it a metaphor but a prophecy concerning Isaiah and Ezekiel and satan coming as a man. He will dwell in the earth. Hence, Beast out of the earth in the Book of the Apocalypse. That is when the one with two horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon comes into his own. The false messiah will crawl on his belly= only live by his own gut instincts and because he comes into his own with the Beast out of the earth, dust shall he eat all the DAYS of his life. Clearly, God is not speaking of a literal snake but of the one with a forked tongue. Christ said " as the days of Noah and Sodom shall it be on the Day of the Son of Man" ( not going to explain the meaning of that), we have sodomy rampant and splicing and dicing of the genome of all species, just as in the days of Noah". There is nothing new under the sun.

Lastly, when Genesis says "each produced/ brought forth according to its own kind" that is not an interpretation of something it is a statement in absolute terms. It is not a metaphor for something else God meant. So, no! You do not believe scripture. You imply that, an emphatic statement is actually a metaphor and is interpreting something that did not exist before the beginning. You actually are a fundamentalist in your scientific practices which you practice religiously. And because YOU take literal theories as absolute truth, you are a walking contradiction to the truth you claim to believe in.

We need not try to rectify absolutes with men's modern-day theories. The fact that they are theories and are called such by the very communities you seek to reinterpret scriptural absolutes for, is proof enough you do not stand on truth. You want your vested theories to reign supreme. Unfortunately, science has many Swiss cheese layers. Instead of trying to fill the holes with your scriptural interpretations how about taking the Author at His word.

If each creature He made does not reproduce according to its own kind, show me an example of a creature becoming something entirely different from what it was created to do and or become. I'm not talking like a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. It was created to do that. I am talking like, something becoming or producing something it was not programmed to do or be. Like adding to itself entirely new DNA of itself, say an apple deciding to be a banana, or a primate becoming a human.

Remember no Nephilim/Gilgamesh hybrids or mixed species examples.

You did try to validate Gilgamesh soooooo, it is fair to say you know about hybrids and the mixing of species spoken in detail by Enoch.
That would mean, if some subhuman mix species with some human DNA is discovered, it is simply disordered and was not created by God. Having mix species and claiming they fill up the evolutionary gaps, is simply gaps filled with abominations created by fallen angels. Partial and not entire does not make human nor a missing link. It simply means, Enoch is right. He is what is missing from the educational system that is the only missing link. If his writings were widely read, science couldn't bull people about partial human DNA or some subhuman garbage or mix monkey mumbo jumbo. It would all be understood as the mixing of species by the Watchers not as missing links.

No more so-called missing links, no bologna of Lucys and non-human DNA mixed breeds. They are not evolutionary proofs but rather wrenches thrown into God's works. With all this "evolution" there would be billions of evolved creatures throughout the fossil records. Apes would have reached their highest form as would all other species. And guided evolution (a new theory put in application) does not count. If evolution were true, it would need no human assistance.

Lastly, aliens didn't seed the earth, fallen angels corrupted human DNA. There is no such thing as extraterrestrials only fallen angels and demons.

 

[Dissenter]

Lastly, when Genesis says "each produced/ brought forth according to its own kind" that is not an interpretation of something it is a statement in absolute terms.

Moses seemed to think creation happened 6,000 years before our present. By-and-large, the species he could observe have largely remained fixed since then, so I don't see what your point is.

We need not try to rectify absolutes with men's modern-day theories. The fact that they are theories and are called such by the very communities you seek to reinterpret scriptural absolutes for, is proof enough you do not stand on truth. You want your vested theories to reign supreme. Unfortunately, science has many Swiss cheese layers. Instead of trying to fill the holes with your scriptural interpretations how about taking the Author at His word.

Only if you think Genesis must be taken literally. I don't believe even all scriptural experts think so. I have stated what I think it all meant in the opening post of this thread.

You actually are a fundamentalist in your scientific practices which you practice religiously. And because YOU take literal theories as absolute truth, you are a walking contradiction to the truth you claim to believe in.

And all that after you admit science consists of theories which interpret evidence.

If each creature He made does not reproduce according to its own kind, show me an example of a creature becoming something entirely different from what it was created to do and or become. I'm not talking like a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. It was created to do that. I am talking like, something becoming or producing something it was not programmed to do or be. Like adding to itself entirely new DNA of itself, say an apple deciding to be a banana, or a primate becoming a human.

It's in the fossil record, bearing in mind that even in ideal conditions, DNA can by-and-large only be sequenced if it's less than 1.5 million years or so old. Scientists don't think new species which could be observed by the ancients occurred in the Biblical timeline. If Moses didn't record anything before about 6000 years BP, then you wouldn't expect to see dinosaurs in the Bible.

Remember no Nephilim/Gilgamesh hybrids or mixed species examples.

You did try to validate Gilgamesh soooooo, it is fair to say you know about hybrids and the mixing of species spoken in detail by Enoch.
That would mean, if some subhuman mix species with some human DNA is discovered, it is simply disordered and was not created by God.

There's ways humans can get big. The events were recorded long after they occurred and may have been passed on verbally by fairly superstitious people.

Having mix species and claiming they fill up the evolutionary gaps, is simply gaps filled with abominations created by fallen angels. Partial and not entire does not make human nor a missing link. It simply means, Enoch is right. He is what is missing from the educational system that is the only missing link. If his writings were widely read, science couldn't bull people about partial human DNA or some subhuman garbage or mix monkey mumbo jumbo. It would all be understood as the mixing of species by the Watchers not as missing links.

Careful, everyone they've examined so far from Eurasia is part Neanderthal. You might be the "subhuman garbage or mix monkey mumbo jumbo" of which you speak. You are also insulting almost everyone in the Bible except maybe the Queen of Sheba and Simon of Cyrene. The Neanderthals were gone as a distinct species by then but everyone from the lands of the Bible is thought to be 1-4% Neanderthal.

The people of the ancient world would sometimes assume an unusual person was a "demigod" or a descendant of Gods and men. Perhaps they assumed people with acromegaly were giants. The stories were passed down orally by superstitious people before Moses wrote them down.

No more so-called missing links, no bologna of Lucys and non-human DNA mixed breeds. They are not evolutionary proofs but rather wrenches thrown into God's works. With all this "evolution" there would be billions of evolved creatures throughout the fossil records. Apes would have reached their highest form as would all other species. And guided evolution (a new theory put in application) does not count. If evolution were true, it would need no human assistance.

Evolution is thought to be partially driven by mutations. They are accidental and random. The vast majority of mutations result in the death of the organism which has them. You may have calculated to leap to conclusions about what evolution would do if it were real because you did not want to believe in it.

Lastly, aliens didn't seed the earth, fallen angels corrupted human DNA. There is no such thing as extraterrestrials only fallen angels and demons.

There may be extraterrestrials we have not discovered. Moses' scope when he wrote probably wasn't to ponder the possibilities of the universe. He likely didn't even clearly understand what the stars were or the fact that the Earth was a planet.

 

[Shulammite]

Moses seemed to think creation happened 6,000 years before our present. By-and-large, the species he could observe have largely remained fixed since then, so I don't see what your point is.

No Moses did not seem to think creation happened 6,000 years before our present. Protestants do. So, no! "By-and-large, the species he could observe have largely remained fixed since then, so I don't see what your point is." That is a misnomer. As to all the rest you post, that is poppycock!
You may have had some semblance of knowledge if the Book of Daniel didn't already call out the "alien" deception. You cannot claim alien anything nor can you claim, "hey look! this is new!" it has already been done in the generations before you! Daniel 11:38 the original text states " He will honor within himself an alien god, a god whom his fathers did not know". With the translation of scripture all the biblical scholars thought "alien" simply meant foreign. It did not! But in their defense, how would they have known? There was no such thing ever, in any written script of any culture. It is a new contrive of something that is actually quite old.

It is a cleverly devised deception by fallen angels and demons to reinvent themselves and sell it to people in order to gain the access they had once before to the human body. Hence, the Cov fe fe and the quantum dot tech that will be implemented after the war. It is made of graphene hexagon lattice formation- Mark of the beast. It can by way of mRNA alter the human genome. By way of CRISPR men will not be man, " It is not what you do that is changed, it is you that is changed"-Claus Shwab.

It will affect the human genome and electrons graphene's Carbon # is 666. The true crop circles gave warning " and signs will appear in the heavens and on the earth". It is developed via " alien knowledge" / fallen angel knowledge by way of quantum physics. The true crop circles are quantum physic symbols.

Any whoooo, no text of any culture in ancient times ever mentioned alien god. All their ancient writings state " god from the stars...from the heavens.....etc......". Never was the word "alien" every ascribed to any other text except the original script of Daniel. It is the ONLY text in the world that actually used the word "alien" not as meaning a foreign entity from another land. Unfortunately, biblical "scholars" throughout history have always interpreted that verse as meaning foreign as in from another culture or tribe.

It is only in modern times, maybe 100yrs or so, but most accurately the late 1930-40s that the "alien" deception has become fashionable. Daniel spoke in actuality about a period of time where "alien" would become a thing. You cannot prove that wrong. That would require you to know the operation of the Christ mind. Since you are not of the Body you are disqualified. 1 Corinthians 2:
Spiritual Wisdom
…15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Daniel is given insight to the horrible times we are in. The man of sin believes in aliens/extraterrestrials, is a man of the fruit of the eye-weird science. Believes in genetic augmentation and the splicing and dicing of genomes that has been labeled as "progress" by today's society. Give credence to that old cliche- " Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it!" Hence, the necessary falling away from the faith and knowledge of scripture. If people knew the story of what was going on during the time of Noah, they would not see all this genetic smack as progress but as digression back to the same old evil the earth was wiped out for. However, it won't be by flood that the earth is cleansed but fire this time.

This is all the strong delusion sent by God toward those who are perishing because they have no room for the truth and are for lies. You cannot prove this wrong. You can deny it but cannot prove it wrong. Before any of us here, in this time, knew anything about "alien" this or that, Daniel said what the man of sin would believe. He is for the lie. Those at the top are the first to be deceived. They want oh, so badly to feel so self-important, that any visitation to them is considered a "special" case. More like special ed. You cannot reinvent scripture that tells it ahead of time.

Greek Septuagint -The god of forces In Daniel 11:38, it is stated that the king will honor an alien god instead of the God of his ancestors. This god is referred to as the "god of forces,"
why is he considered as a god of forces? Because through Daniel God is revealing who the "alien" god actually is and the New Testament is clear,
In Ephesians 2:2, the Apostle Paul refers to Satan as "the prince of the power of the air," this is the same as god of forces........and god of this world
The phrase comes from 2 Corinthians 4:4, which states that "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe"

Now, go on your way you do not believe in scripture, you lie first to yourself and everyone else secondly. It is clear, according to the word of God, that you are deceived.

 

[Shulammite]

No, doubt, you will splice and dice all my post and take out of context and pretext everything to serve your lie. I address you in full context. To pretext is to only address what you are capable of. Just like your father.
Genesis 3:4
In Genesis 3:4, the serpent tells Eve, "You will not surely die," suggesting that she will not die after eating the forbidden fruit. This statement introduces doubt into Eve's mind, leading to her questioning God's command. The serpent's words imply that the consequences of disobedience are not as severe as God had warned, which ultimately leads to the fall of humanity.

Satan want's man to remain in a fallen state.

Lie of the Theory of Evolution

Darwinism is the theory of biological evolution developed by the English naturalist Charles Darwin (1809-
1882) and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations
that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce.

Evolution is the false teaching which states: All present-day creatures evolved from a lesser form- and in time
also, each individual species added to itself DNA which it did not previously have- such as humans evolved from primates.

LIE! The idea that a lesser form can evolve into a greater form is ridiculous. No creature can add DNA to itself.
It has never happened and certainly no proof of- even the possibility of it happening has ever been presented. That is why it is a THEORY!
Yet in schools they present this as fact and do not allow for creationism to be taught. Creationism destroys the
theory with fact.
My Existence of God does just that ( will post after).

Science is full of contradictions and
half-truths. Half a truth is the greatest lie of all. For it is meant to deceive. A lie is a lie when bold faced. But the father of lies likes to mix truth in to malign it. Such as the understanding of adaptations.

ADAPTATION: 1. the action or process of adapting or being adapted.
2. Example- a movie, television drama, or stage play that has been adapted from the written work, typically a
novel.
3. Biology- a change or process of change by which a organism or species become better suited for it's environment
Adaptation is not a process of adding new DNA sequences- but, a tapping into preexisting codes which surface
under strain or stress from external changes. All creatures have this. It is an adaptation for survival. People have this too. If
you look at the diversity of cultures each has adapted through time- things like no need for wisdom teeth. Some people do not get them
and they are not even present in the jaw. At one time all people got them, why? Early man was a hunter and gather, tooth lose happened often and large molars were necessary to replace tooth lose. Yeah, something this simple can give understanding of adaptation. People
today, who are still hunters and gatherers like African people, and aboriginal peoples who still live as the ancient peoples- still get
wisdom teeth. The European man tends to not get them even if they are present in the jaw they never come in, or they are not present at all.
Another example: Salt- having been introduced into man's diet refined man's bones. This is interesting since Christ
calls Christians the salt of the earth. We help refine souls.

Animal adaptation is the same. Like frogs- in a same sex environment will suddenly change sex- for reproductive purposes. They did not add new DNA codes. This is encoded in their DNA from the time of Creation. Fish, for example have developed lungs to breath on land.
It is the stress of the environment which causes them to tap into this necessity to survive. They crawl on land, bury themselves and wait for rain.

Now, the question is, what brought on the necessity for adaptation? For we as Christians know God made every-
thing perfect. What caused the fall of man and creation to be stressed? Lucifer, Satan (Betrayer of God). His presents in this world have
made for the necessity of tapping into the DNA for adaptation.

Adaptation is good especially for animals. However, no DNA IS EVER ADDED. EVOLUTION IS A LIE! It
protects itself under the guise of Theory, conjecture, opinion- which is a lie "Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this
comes from evil"- (Matthew 5:37).
What does adaptation have to do with evolution? Well, by pairing up this truth with evolution, satan tries to legitimize his claims.
Remember a half truth is the greatest lie of all; because it is meant to deceive. No one can argue, adaptation is
not present in all creation, right? However, evolution states lesser creatures evolve into greater ones with no proof to back up
claims- theory-conjecture.

Nothing in God's creation ever changed it species of itself. Yet as I said they have forced this theory down the throats of
people since childhood. They condition and brainwash the mind for years, you are not allowed, in classrooms to reject this garbage.
You get an F when you do. Evolution says that because we share 96% of the same DNA as apes, we must have evolved from them? NON-
SENSE! What this means is God- in creating man added 4% more DNA which makes us completely different. That 4% plus a soul from
His heart makes us in His like and image. Similarities do not make equal. Each step in the DNA of species is what separates each
species from the other. Add and thus, you have a different creature. The ingredients God puts together- from the basic to the complex. No
matter what science says ......if evolution were true all species would have already evolved to their highest form and the previous one would
no longer exist.

So, satan wants mankind to believe we are apes. Why? He hates man! We created after the angels ,(for they
were created first, ) and last we were made-( after all things in creation) yet are to be first, above angels. The example of our glory is
Christ. " Beloved, we are God's children, it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who thus hopes in Him purifies himself as He is pure.( 1 John 3:2-3)

Darwin was a false teacher who thought he was of lofty mind- who taught the lie of evolution. His place is in
the lake of fire where all false teachers and false prophets go.

Let us look at this false teacher's thoughts on Christianity: A post from the( Atheist Republic. com)

"I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language

of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my father, brother and
almost all my friends, will be everlastingly punished. And to me this is a damnable doctrine"



ANOTHER QUOTE: " We must , however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities... still
bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin."

"By considering the embryological structure of man- the homologies which he presents with lower animals...
We thus learnt that man is descended from a hairy quadruped... probably arboreal in its habits, and an inhabitant
of the old world."



REALLY!!!



Now for some contradiction: Darwin's theory of Natural Selection-



"More individuals are produced each generation that can survive. Phenotypic variations exists among individuals and the variation is heritable.
Those individuals with heritable traits better suited to the environment will survive."



YET SAYS:



" I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created
parasitic wasp with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars"



Contradiction! Doesn't this make the wasp better suited for survival?



What did he say above that?



Science is full of contradictions and half-truths. Darwin hated God and could not possibly teach anything
in wisdom. He was of the knowledge of satan. (Jesus) SHALL CRUSH THE HEAD OF THE SER-
PENT!
Science with this “Theory” has thrown so much garbage at the body of Christ. And has produced many Ma-
sonic persons, dangerous people -who have brought great sorrows to man. It is time for pay back!

Science will also, through fallen angel knowledge produce a mark to be placed in the flesh of men. This mark
will render men irredeemable. The fallen angels went into woman and produced Nephilim through mixing their spirit seed with woman. Because angels are endowed with supernatural abilities, they can manipulate the natural world. Supernatural beings can manipulate the natural realm and can become form.

Well, through technology they have found a new way to create their offspring. It will be
of man. They will corrupt men's DNA. This alien garbage is a fallen angel deception, to make those who are
unlearned of man prepared for the accepting of this mark. This is the "RED STEW" spoken of in the story of Jacob.
It will be accepted during a time of hardship, and labor, and strife. It is a non- kosher mark, so to speak. It will be cooked up by the satanic Kabbalah and Masonic rulers in Israel. The Fifth Trumpet Rev.9:5-7

…5The locusts were not given power to kill them, but only to torment them for five months, and their torment was like the stinging of a scorpion. 6In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will escape them. 7And the locusts looked like horses prepared for battle, with something like crowns of gold on their heads, and faces like the faces of men.…I will reveal this understanding soon. God Bless!

 

[Shulammite]

The Existence of God

Before we can establish anything about life as to what is right and wrong: we must set the mind straight, the fact
that there is a God must be in the forefront of the mind, everything will be considered futile otherwise. For right and wrong is
measured by God!

Many people ask: "Is there a God" or say "There is no God". To them: we as mankind hold a spirit,
it is because of that spirit that the thought of God exists. For the thought and debate over His existence would not
be - if we have not a soul. The soul was given to us from the Infinite Creator Himself! Amazing! , for the answer is in the
thought and debate. For neither would be if He was not, is not. However, they do because He is.

For if there is not a God the thought of Him would not be. Not even the atheist could say- "There is no God" for
the thought of Him would not be. So, know, the thought and debate over His existence is the answer that He exist!

For those who question and do not believe in what they cannot touch and see; it must be scary to breath, for
you cannot see the air; it must be mind boggling to see a leaf roll down the way- after all it is moved by an unseen force. And
who or what moves the wind? Do you know from with it comes and where it is held?
Afterall, everything which moves is moved by something. You only need to know a little bit of the Laws of
Physics to know this. The laws of physics tell us all things which move has a mover. It all started by something or someone from
somewhere.

All moving things are moved by something, whether seen or unseen. Newton's First Law of motion states: an
object will remain at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless acted upon by an external force. It may be seen as a
statement about inertia, that objects will remain in their state of motion unless a force acts to change the motion. Any change in
motion involves an acceleration, and then Newton's Second Law applies; in fact the first Law is a "special " case of the
Second Law for which the net force is zero.

Where am I going with this? You will see. Newton's First law contains implications about the fundamental symmetry of the universe, in that a state of motion in a straight line must be as "natural" as being at rest. If an object is at rest in
one frame of reference, it will appear to be moving in a straight line to an observer in a reference frame which is moving by
the object. There is no way to say which reference is "special", so all constant velocity reference frames must be equivalent. All moving things are moved by something- whether seen or unseen. The First laws of motion were set by the Creator. All
things extend out from Him. Newton's second law of motion can be formally stated as follows: The acceleration of an object as produced by a net force is directly proportional to the magnitude of the net force, in the same direction as the net force, and inversely proportional
to the mass of the object, speaking to, the ever-expanding universe in proportion to the Eternal God.

All matter, sound and light extends out from Him. 1.Thus says the Lord, "heaven is My throne and the earth is my footstool.
Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest?" 2. For My hand made all things, Thus all
these things came into being", declares the Lord. (Isaiah 66:1-2)

God has laws for everything in His creation; laws which govern the universe's planets, galaxies and moons and
stars. And everything has a mathematical symmetry- like that demonstrated by the Fibonacci Sequence found in creation. Of
course, named after the Italian mathematician (Leonard Pisano Bigollo) Nicknamed Fibonacci, that is his surname. His under-
standing of this sequence points to an intelligent designer. Those of us who have probe and investigated all science through
faith know that intelligent designer, is God.

Science has also presented its theories concerning the origin of all things. One theory is the Big Bang! This was
the effect not the cause. That is the flaw in their theory. It was an effect of a brainstorm of God the cause. Therefore, it was not
the beginning,
" I AM THE BEGINNING AND THE END" Says the Lord. It starts with Him and ends with Him. Cause and
Effect. God thought He would be creative and express Himself. The Big Bang was a breakthrough of the Word
through thought.
Thoughts are of energy not form; energy is the base of form and mass. You only need the basics of physics to
know this. Physics tells us all things which move- has a mover. This explains the continuously expanding universe; it expands
outward from God. Energy begets energy. All-natural form derived from energy of the supernatural. Supernatural comes from
the Latin supernaturalis- meaning: beyond nature. The adjective form of supernatural describes anything that pertains to or
is caused by something that cannot be explained by the laws of nature. How does man know this? It had to be revealed to
him. All matter derived from the supernatural energy of God, who is Infinite.

If we do not have an Infinite Creator; how then, can mankind develop things such as our number system which
has infinite possibilities - or our mathematical system which has infinite combinations, or our infinite pi expression and our binary code. Man would not be able to do this if not for an Eternal Source. Also, the infinite knowledge conveyed through the Alphabet: the beginning of language and words- which have infinite abilities in conveying thoughts.
The most important thing the word can reveal is God! This was given to us through the soul. From twelve music notes received, infinite melodies and harmony.
So, like God; an artist who creates from a thought and brings forth form and dimension through his vision of
art- is bringing about form through thought. Again, thoughts are of energy not form. Energy is the base of form,
and you cannot see thoughts until they break forth. That is based upon fact not theory. For you cannot see
thoughts. All thoughts are supernatural, good or bad. Supernatural is the invisible realm. You do not see peoples thoughts floating around in the air. Science cannot capture them or record what you are thinking by simply by observing you.

However, people with damaged wiring in the brain have had mind machines called (WIRED) or neuro link, connected to the
language portion of the brain and a computer relay what the neurons are firing. It is providing wiring that does not work in the damaged vessel of the brain which may prevent a person from speaking normally.

This does disprove but proves our minds have energy flowing through them. This energy is the soul, which is contained in form. And the ex-
pression of the internal energy is known through action.

Now, poetically speaking- God thought He would be creative and express Himself; In the beginning was the
Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. With His Word He created art. He created the sun,
moon, and painted the stars in the sky, why?, to give form to His thoughts. He then created the earth with beautiful bodies of water, landscapes , mountains and trees, why?, to give you a vision of His dreams. He then created music and sound and placed birds, insects and all kinds of animals all around.

He then cast His thoughts upon the ocean and said "Let me create man in our like and image", for He did create Wisdom and angels before the universe. He said, " in man shall be my deepest devotion, greater than the
depths of the oceans for He is the rolling tides of My emotions."
From the earth and sand, He formed man. "In Him I shall stand, I shall place in him My wisdom, My essence,

My thoughts he shall know, My breath the soul he shall hold. My purpose shall be revealed in him." Then he
gave man control of the land.

However, through life spans and times man has wandered from God's side, only knowing the fruit of the eye,
forgetting why we are here, creating darkness and living in fear, destroying all that God has placed here. We
have lost respect for each other and disobey His laws given by His hand. For those who are unsure:
Where do you stand in God's plan? Are you part of life or are you cut off? It is your God given right to choose
but to be a subtraction means you lose! Use the tools of faith and see, open your hearts, no longer be
deceived. LIFE IS A GIFT NOT GIVEN IN VAIN. Believe in the promises of the Lord and He shall sustain
you. For every word He speaks is truth! Truth is not what one makes it, or as one sees it, it is just so. It is irrefutable, undeniable, factually exact! It is real, perfectly sound and loved by those who seek it.

There is only ONE GOD, He is revealed in three divine ways, God the FATHER, God the Son (JESUS CHRIST) and the mutual love between them both the HOLY SPIRIT, from whom all
knowledge and truth comes.

The good things of science point to a Creator and with science one can see that He is. The one thing that can never be explained

is the "HOW" and to that God simply say's "I AM THAT I AM" and that ='s "energy is neither created nor destroyed!"

 

[Shulammite]

 

[Shulammite]

Moses seemed to think creation happened 6,000 years before our present. By-and-large, the species he could observe have largely remained fixed since then, so I don't see what your point is.Only if you think Genesis must be taken literally. I don't believe even all scriptural experts think so. I have stated what I think it all meant in the opening post of this thread.And all that after you admit science consists of theories which interpret evidence. It's in the fossil record, bearing in mind that even in ideal conditions, DNA can by-and-large only be sequenced if it's less than 1.5 million years or so old. Scientists don't think new species which could be observed by the ancients occurred in the Biblical timeline. If Moses didn't record anything before about 6000 years BP, then you wouldn't expect to see dinosaurs in the Bible.There's ways humans can get big. The events were recorded long after they occurred and may have been passed on verbally by fairly superstitious people.Careful, everyone they've examined so far from Eurasia is part Neanderthal. You might be the "subhuman garbage or mix monkey mumbo jumbo" of which you speak. You are also insulting almost everyone in the Bible except maybe the Queen of Sheba and Simon of Cyrene. The Neanderthals were gone as a distinct species by then but everyone from the lands of the Bible is thought to be 1-4% Neanderthal.

The people of the ancient world would sometimes assume an unusual person was a "demigod" or a descendant of Gods and men. Perhaps they assumed people with acromegaly were giants. The stories were passed down orally by superstitious people before Moses wrote them down.

Evolution is thought to be partially driven by mutations. They are accidental and random. The vast majority of mutations result in the death of the organism which has them. You may have calculated to leap to conclusions about what evolution would do if it were real because you did not want to believe in it.There may be extraterrestrials we have not discovered. Moses' scope when he wrote probably wasn't to ponder the possibilities of the universe. He likely didn't even clearly understand what the stars were or the fact that the Earth was a planet.

You do know Enoch was written before the Books Moses was given by God to write?
So, Moses knew full well of the universe and the earth's place in it all. Enoch is the correct representation of the universe and the hidden realms. Satan know this and through his offspring he has sought to bury and change all truth even altering to truth of the image of the earth. If the bible be found to be true all men would shake off their scales and be born again. And God preserved all His Books with the Ethiopians. They shall come to those who stand on Mt. Zion -Apocalypse 14 with gifts during the spiritual reign of Christ over those who stand with Him on Mt. Zion. Do you know at certain points of prophecy Mother Mary is called Zion? It is a spiritual term meaning 'zenith' of the faithful. Some of, if not all of that 144,000 consist of informed Catholics, preserved through this time by our Mama.

Isaiah 1: An Oracle concerning Ethiopia​

18 Ah, land of whirring wings
beyond the rivers of Ethiopia,
2 sending ambassadors by the Nile
in vessels of papyrus on the waters!
Go, you swift messengers,
to a nation tall and smooth,
to a people feared near and far,
a nation mighty and conquering,
whose land the rivers divide.
3 All you inhabitants of the world,
you who live on the earth,
when a signal is raised on the mountains, look!
When a trumpet is blown, listen! ( this is reference to the first trumpet of Apocalypse)
Bringing hail and fire mixed with blood

Apocalypse​

The first trumpet of the seven trumpets in the Book of Revelation is described as bringing hail and fire mixed with blood,( this is comet which is like a dirty snowball, and the blood is of those up in space Dragon X Space station. The event will come by surprise) which is hurled down upon the earth. This judgment results in the burning up of a third of the earth, a third of the trees, and all the green grass. It is a warning to humanity about the consequences of their actions and a call to repentance and faithfulness to God.

4For thus the Lord said to me:
I will quietly look from my dwelling
like clear heat in sunshine,
like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.
5For before the harvest, when the blossom is over
and the flower becomes a ripening grape,
he will cut off the shoots with pruning hooks,
and the spreading branches he will hew away.
6They shall all be left
to the birds of prey of the mountains
and to the animals of the earth.
And the birds of prey will summer on them,
and all the animals of the earth will winter on them.
7At that time gifts will be brought to the Lord of hosts from a people tall and smooth, from a people feared near and far, a nation mighty and conquering, whose land the rivers divide, to Mount Zion, the place of the name of the Lord of hosts.

Proof Mother Mary is called Zion for what she said yes to.
Have your own unadulterated bible, don't use online bibles. The synagogue of satan has gone on its book burning tour editing prophecy.

Isaiah 66:​

7;“Before she was in labor ( Zion-Jerusalem)
she gave birth; ( Mother Mary)
before her pain came upon her (Jerusalem's pain)
she delivered a son. (Mother Mary delivered a son)
8;Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall a nation be born in one day? ( In the birth of Christ, a nation was born in one day who is to reign from Jerusalem after Christ cleans house)
Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? ( The liars say this is the pseudo-Rothschild state they call Israel, it is not, that was began with the Balford Declaration preparing a way for a false Zion-ist state. One built with blood Micah 3 condemns.)
For as soon as Zion was in labor ( Mother Mary was in labor)
she brought forth her children. ( The children of God, who are called Israel in whom God Prevails in, from the time of the first to that last which is of this last generation)
9;Shall I bring to the point of birth and not cause to bring forth?” ( From the beginning of Christianity- the point of birth-which brings forth birth throughout history of a people after God's own heart- to this final birth, for the gulf is soon to be complete. Gulf-a large difference or division between two people or groups, or between viewpoints, concepts, or situations
says the Lord;
“shall I, who cause to bring forth, shut the womb?”
says your God. ( the womb is still brining forth with Her labor in the heavens. The womb will be shut when the last soul is to be accounted for. The last soul which sets the gulf in place between the wicked and the Elect!) The Holy Spirit will withdraw from upon the earth completely soon and will only be within and over the anointed of God. It's going to get real ugly real fast now. For the garment is rolled up and he who holds back or the Restrainer will be removed.) Soon the man of sin will come into his hour.

 

[Shulammite]

Ephesians 6:
The Armor of God
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in His mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God, so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world’s darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.…

Remember heavenly realms means anything above. Since there is no evil in the Kingdom of Heaven, this refers to the first and second heaven, the sky and space. The liars like to act as though Christians believe we are alone in the universe. Not so! It has always been taught that the gods of the heavens, stars etc... are angelic forces of the fallen spirits. There are legions of fallen angels. They have been allowed to surf the universe since their beginnings. With the choice of rebellion, they have been coming down and ascending to space to the gates of heaven harassing the saints there. Their screams in anger for never being able to enter again is real! Since the beginning angels surfed space.

The image is -"head of a lion, body of a leopard, feet like a bear". It is in the Rothschild's coat of arms. No other coat of arms has it. Hence, patents. Although the body looks simply like the body of a lion, their patent states "leopard passant" no spots but is understood by St. John. Feet like a bear because its back claws are not retracted. John says like a bear for that reason. This simply gives credence to the accuracy. So, that when one ponders it, it becomes more evident. He didn't have to point that out since most would simply think it a lion. But lions claws in the back feet are only out when leaping climbing or attacking prey. In a standing position when not in a defensive posture they are always retracted. Bears are always out no matter what. Any whoooo......



They bowed to satan and took him up on his offer. The same offer he offered Christ " If you simply bow down and pay me homage the kingdoms of the world and all their splendor will be yours." To that the Lord teaches to tell satan go pound sand "Get behind me satan! It is written, God only shall you worship and Him only shall you serve". Your bible may have another way of saying the same thing.

The king of Tyre in Ezekiel is not the ancient king of Tyre. Tyre means 'Rock'. This means the one who is over everything and owns everything it is a black rock. The image of the Beast of Apocalypse 13 tells who satan's own throne. power and authority is given to. It is to that family dynasty that the world is being made in the image of. They are a family banking dynasty who has funded evey war since the Napoleonic wars , who even bailed out the Vatican during the Lateran Treaty. Making the Vatican a city state and establishing its last kings/popes. Piece by piece they have been chipping away at the Vatican till-"Rome will lose the faith" Mother Mary. However, those preserved hold all the truth and are church, "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her!"​

​ ​ Ezekiel 28: Par ▾ A Prophecy against the Ruler/ Man of sin and his end after his time is done! 1And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2“Son of man, tell the ruler of Tyre that this is what the Lord GOD says:​ Your heart is proud,​ and you have said,​ ‘I am a god;​ I sit in the seat of gods​ in the heart of the sea.’​ Yet you are a man and not a god,​ though you have regarded your heart​ as that of a god.​ 3Behold, you are wiser than Daniel;​ no secret is hidden from you!​ 4By your wisdom and understanding​ you have gained your wealth​ and amassed gold and silver​ for your treasuries.​ 5By your great skill in trading​ you have increased your wealth,​ but your heart has grown proud​ because of it.​ 6Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says:​ Because you regard your heart​ as the heart of a god,​ 7behold, I will bring foreigners against you,​ the most ruthless of nations.​ They will draw their swords​ against the beauty of your wisdom​ and will defile your splendor.​ 8They will bring you down to the Pit,​ and you will die a violent death​ in the heart of the seas.​ 9Will you still say, ‘I am a god,’​ in the presence of those who slay you?​ You will be only a man, not a god,​ in the hands of those who wound you.​ 10You will die the death of the uncircumcised​ at the hands of foreigners.​ For I have spoken,​ declares the Lord GOD.”​ A Lament for the King of Tyre 11Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 12“Son of man, take up a lament for the king of Tyre and tell him that this is what the Lord GOD says:​ ‘You were the seal of perfection,​ full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.​ 13You were in Eden,​ the garden of God.​ Every kind of precious stone adorned you:a​ ruby, topaz, and diamond,​ beryl, onyx, and jasper,​ sapphire,b turquoise, and emerald.​ Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold,​ prepared on the day of your creation.​ 14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,​ for I had ordained you.​ You were on the holy mountain of God;​ you walked among the fiery stones.​ 15From the day you were created​ you were blameless in your ways—​ until wickedness was found in you.​ 16By the vastness of your trade,​ you were filled with violence, and you sinned.​ So I drove you in disgrace​ from the mountain of God,​ and I banished you, O guardian cherub,​ from among the fiery stones.​ 17Your heart grew proud of your beauty;​ you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor;​ so I cast you to the earth;​ I made you a spectacle before kings.​ 18By the multitude of your iniquities​ and the dishonesty of your trading​ you have profaned your sanctuaries.​ So I made fire come from within you,​ and it consumed you.​ I reduced you to ashes on the ground​ in the eyes of all who saw you.​ 19All the nations who know you​ are appalled over you.​ You have come to a horrible end​ and will be no more.’”​

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[HomeschoolDad]

This is, to say the least, a very lively discussion, and goes far beyond anything the Church proposes for our belief, nonetheless, I am just standing back and leaving it alone for now. I just ask that any focus be on the issues, rather than personalities. Let's keep everything civil.

 

[Dissenter]

You do know Enoch was written before the Books Moses was given by God to write?

From a Bing Copilot search summary:
Canonical Status
The Book of Enoch, also known as 1 Enoch, is an ancient Jewish apocalyptic text traditionally attributed to the patriarch Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah. While it was influential in early Jewish and Christian thought and is even quoted in the New Testament (Jude 14-15), it was not included in the Hebrew Bible or most Christian Bibles due to theological, doctrinal, and historical reasons. Its content, including elaborate angelology and the story of the Watchers, diverges from the canonical texts and raised questions about authorship and doctrinal consistency.
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Reasons for Exclusion
Theological Divergence: The Book of Enoch presents a complex cosmology involving angels who corrupt humanity, which conflicts with orthodox doctrines emphasizing human responsibility for sin.

Authorship and Authenticity: Scholars consider it pseudepigraphal, meaning it claims authorship by Enoch but was likely written over centuries by multiple authors.

Canonical Decisions: Early church councils, such as the Council of Laodicea in the fourth century, excluded it along with other apocryphal works not present in the Hebrew canon. Protestant reformers later reinforced this exclusion by prioritizing texts aligned with the Hebrew Bible.

Manuscript Evidence: While fragments of 1 Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, the full text survives only in Geʽez, the liturgical language of Ethiopia, limiting its historical acceptance.

"There are over 2,000 allegedly Bible-based Protestant sects in addition to the Catholic and Orthodox churches, so whatever do you mean by "know scripture?" A lotta people know a lot of Scripture as well as the history and context surrounding it, and we are far from a consensus."

Yeah, and a lot of people know math not all are master mathematicians. Point is, knowing something and having a mastery in the knowledge of it are two different things. That is why it is said in scripture James 3: 1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. Many say they know scripture and may even say they have mastery in their knowledge. However, there are only few in mastery. The rest think too highly of themselves and bring about a miscarriage of knowledge.

Do you realize we may both "think too highly of [ourselves] and bring about a miscarriage of knowledge?"

I write off the cuff of Christ. I act in the moment.

"Believe not every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God."

 

[Shulammite]

From a Bing Copilot search summary:
Canonical Status
The Book of Enoch, also known as 1 Enoch, is an ancient Jewish apocalyptic text traditionally attributed to the patriarch Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah. While it was influential in early Jewish and Christian thought and is even quoted in the New Testament (Jude 14-15), it was not included in the Hebrew Bible or most Christian Bibles due to theological, doctrinal, and historical reasons. Its content, including elaborate angelology and the story of the Watchers, diverges from the canonical texts and raised questions about authorship and doctrinal consistency.
Bible Study Tools

Reasons for Exclusion
Theological Divergence: The Book of Enoch presents a complex cosmology involving angels who corrupt humanity, which conflicts with orthodox doctrines emphasizing human responsibility for sin.

Authorship and Authenticity: Scholars consider it pseudepigraphal, meaning it claims authorship by Enoch but was likely written over centuries by multiple authors.

Canonical Decisions: Early church councils, such as the Council of Laodicea in the fourth century, excluded it along with other apocryphal works not present in the Hebrew canon. Protestant reformers later reinforced this exclusion by prioritizing texts aligned with the Hebrew Bible.

Manuscript Evidence: While fragments of 1 Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, the full text survives only in Geʽez, the liturgical language of Ethiopia, limiting its historical acceptance.

Do you realize we may both "think too highly of [ourselves] and bring about a miscarriage of knowledge?""Believe not every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God."

It is not excluded from the Ethiopian bible according to God's plan. Plus, what do you care about exclusionary this or that, you don't even believe in the accepted word that the Catholic Church transliterated for you. So, come again? Just because some think the Ethiopian Church and it's Ge'ez translation of the ancient Paleo Hebrew text, is beneath them, doesn't change the fact that king Solomon gave Mekeda the Queen of Sheba that Book. So, you can argue amongst yourselves or with whomever you want to argue with. I know I am right and have proven that time and time again. It's not all about the RC or Protestant opinions it is about who God deems worthy. As one called from the Catholic Church, I know God cannot be put in a box you deem fit. It is prophesied about Ethiopia about the gifts they will bring to those who stand on Zion with the Lord. Since I can think of no better gift than the complete Bible, well, I simply can't wait! The Catholic Church and Protestants can exclude who they want, that is the difference between Harlotry and fidelity. The Elect Bride recognizes the Truth, and because she cannot be associated with Catholic Harlotry she sticks with only one mind in the universal consensus, that holy prophecy and scripture is infallible unlike men.