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I try not to get caught up in imagining how effective the particular indulgence may be and just trust that good will come of any spiritual act we do.
An easy way to get a Plenary Indulgence on any Friday in Lent
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Tis_Bearself
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I told Mary if she wanted to start sending me some deceased souls in the night to pray for, like she did with Maria Simma, it was okay any time, but none have showed up, so I suspect I’m not experienced and qualified enough for that yet.
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Is attachment to sin different from concupiscence or imperfections of the soul/mind/body?
How is it possible to be free of such things in this lifetime?
How is it possible to be free of such things in this lifetime?
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Thank you so much!! This is very helpful! God bless!
Tis_Bearself
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Are you fighting the concupiscence or just giving in and saying, “eh I kinda like this feeling and anyway, it’s natural”?
If you’re fighting it or trying to avoid it, then you’re not attached to it. If you’re giving in to it or making excuses for it, you’re attached to it.
Not everybody has a big problem with being “free of concupiscence” especially when one gets old and one’s body changes and one’s hormones are not in overdrive anymore.
As for “imperfections of the soul/ mind/ body” we’re always going to be imperfect, e.g. have a sinful nature. Are we fighting that and not wanting to commit sins, or do we just give in or figure it’s natural to commit these sins?
“Attachment to sin” seems to me to be about failing to resist a sin, or continuing some bad habit that’s either a sin or a near occasion of sin.
If you’re fighting it or trying to avoid it, then you’re not attached to it. If you’re giving in to it or making excuses for it, you’re attached to it.
Not everybody has a big problem with being “free of concupiscence” especially when one gets old and one’s body changes and one’s hormones are not in overdrive anymore.
As for “imperfections of the soul/ mind/ body” we’re always going to be imperfect, e.g. have a sinful nature. Are we fighting that and not wanting to commit sins, or do we just give in or figure it’s natural to commit these sins?
“Attachment to sin” seems to me to be about failing to resist a sin, or continuing some bad habit that’s either a sin or a near occasion of sin.
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Concupiscence of the flesh I try to resist, or at least ignore, or find something else to occupy time.
The more difficult thing is the mind: that moment of irritation, the judgmental thought that I have to correct and accuse myself of hypocrisy of, that disturbance of peace when something disappointing happens and you get sad, the thoughts of my coworker and wondering why he works so little while everyone else is at least attempting to do something, etc
Of course I don’t want these thoughts and would rather not have them, but they all stem from selfishness and pride…but I should still be grateful that God allows partial indulgences to be obtained through various works of prayer and penance.
The more difficult thing is the mind: that moment of irritation, the judgmental thought that I have to correct and accuse myself of hypocrisy of, that disturbance of peace when something disappointing happens and you get sad, the thoughts of my coworker and wondering why he works so little while everyone else is at least attempting to do something, etc
Of course I don’t want these thoughts and would rather not have them, but they all stem from selfishness and pride…but I should still be grateful that God allows partial indulgences to be obtained through various works of prayer and penance.
Tis_Bearself
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It’s Friday, so just bumping the thread to remind people that they can get a plenary today for either of the two acts (prayer before Crucifix after Communion, or Stations of the Cross).
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Apparently I missed this, because according to my tired brain either time travel is possible or 7pm is also 8pm, and I can get up and start getting ready at 7pm to attend stations of the cross that are also at 7pm.
Wish me luck next week!
Wish me luck next week!
Tis_Bearself
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Well, the good news is you can do Stations of the Cross by yourself any day of the week, meet the other conditions for the Plenary, and still get the indulgence. Even if you do it on Monday or Tuesday or whenever. You can do them any day of the year and get the plenary!
Just grab a little Stations book or find meditations online, go to a Church with stations, and off you go. (You have to do them in front of stations at a church or shrine and preferably, walk around from one to the other when you do them.)
The “Prayer before a Crucifix” plenary is only available on Fridays in Lent however.
Just grab a little Stations book or find meditations online, go to a Church with stations, and off you go. (You have to do them in front of stations at a church or shrine and preferably, walk around from one to the other when you do them.)
The “Prayer before a Crucifix” plenary is only available on Fridays in Lent however.
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@Spyridon @Tis_Bearself FWIW, I follow first Saturday devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and I confess, sit in church for a little time and short after that starts the rosary with meditation and afterwards mass.Tis_Bearself:
I always took the “no attachment to sin” requirement to mean that if you are habitually (on a daily basis) committing some certain sin, then you are attached to it and not eligible for a plenary indulgence (though still a partial indulgence).
For example if you cuss on a daily basis and are trying to overcome it but are still attached to using foul language, you would be ineligible for a plenary indulgence.
I am pretty sure I manage to avoid (by cooperating with God’s grace to the best of my abilities) most sins both mortal and venial in that short time period. It’s a powerful devotion, and in that short time period you get a pretty good feel of how difficult it is to avoid sin. Also, I have (and not always) in that short time period between confession and rosary and mass felt clearly full detachment from sin, in the sense that I truly and fully want to avoid sin at all costs and turn towards God.
So it is possible! And that short Saturday morning does work “wonders” so to say. Because you are given to live the devotion and necessary conditions for the indulgence in that short time period. And that alone is a powerful experience one really has to live through to understand. Serves both as a beacon in darkness and an anchor in the storm. And there is a lot of wisdom to it, I appreciate @Tis_Bearself devotional practices immensely, and in following through with First Saturday devotion I have certainly found a devotional fountain of grace that I always go back to and has not yet failed me at providing a path to follow that always yields results.
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Yes, First Saturday devotion is great.
The biggest problem with it in my area is that it is so popular, the local confession lines are extremely long on that Saturday, especially before the Saturday morning Mass. I found out recently that part of the problem is that two or three parishes I attend most often in one area are among the largest in the whole diocese, which from the size of two of the church buildings I did not realize (the third church building is indeed pretty huge and it also had 27 priests in for Christmas penance service so I figured it was very large).
I found one place that has confessions late night on First Friday and very early morning (like 1 am) on First Saturday as part of an all-night vigil. Unfortunately it is hard for me to feel the full detachment from sin after I confess there, as I have generally had to focus on just staying awake for the all-night vigil.
The biggest problem with it in my area is that it is so popular, the local confession lines are extremely long on that Saturday, especially before the Saturday morning Mass. I found out recently that part of the problem is that two or three parishes I attend most often in one area are among the largest in the whole diocese, which from the size of two of the church buildings I did not realize (the third church building is indeed pretty huge and it also had 27 priests in for Christmas penance service so I figured it was very large).
I found one place that has confessions late night on First Friday and very early morning (like 1 am) on First Saturday as part of an all-night vigil. Unfortunately it is hard for me to feel the full detachment from sin after I confess there, as I have generally had to focus on just staying awake for the all-night vigil.
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