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can’t I talk to my wife given these scenarios?
  1. She doesn’t live long enough to convert on her own.
  2. In the pretense of the marriage oath “in sickness and in health”. What if I view her faith as being “in sickness” spiritually.
  3. aren’t we supposed to evangelize?
 
My impatience I suppose it was is bothering me. I just can’t fathom living the next 30 years without her converting. She will not convert until her grandma and mother die. That’s the sad fact. They influence her more than I ever could. If she converted our marriage would be so much more blessed and would be scaramental. My wife was never baptised. She isn’t even a protestant. She’s Christian Scientist which is not Christian and not Science. It’s, in my opinon, satanic.

I at least want her to get baptised!
Oh, heavens, nobody can be in any kind of marriage for 30 years. 30 years of a honeymoon, even…it would kill you.

Nope, you have to take it one day at a time. You can do many things for a day that you could never manage for a lifetime.

This is not a choice. It is a tempation. Satan is attacking your wife, Satan is attacking you, and Satan is attacking your marriage, using Satan’s favorite weapon: Lies. You are being tempted to believe that your wife will never convert, that you cannot endure this trial, that you may as well throw in the towel, because with the mother and grandmother in the picture, you just can’t win.

You are being told that she belongs to Satan, and that you should just give in to that, because you can’t win, and what God can do doesn’t count. What is satanic is the Evil One telling you that you should give up because God can’t win your wife.

The Evil One hates fidelity, hates sacrificial love, hates the call of God within the Church and is furious when that call extends past the boundaries of the Church. The Evil One wants to enslave us to following our own preferences, by confusing us on the difference between preference and need. We need God. We can choose to prefer what God prefers. Our own passions don’t have to own us.

Listen to St. Paul:
“As for the other matters, although I know of nothing the Lord has said, I say: If any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever but is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her…the unbelieving wife is consecrated by her believing husband…Wife how do you know that you will not save your husband; or you, husband, that you will not save your wife?” from 1 Cor. 7: 12-16. How specific can Holy Scriptures possibly get?

This is what the Catechism says about disparity of cult:
1637 In marriages with disparity of cult the Catholic spouse has a particular task: “For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband.” (1 Cor 7:14) It is a great joy for the Christian spouse and for the Church if this “consecration” should lead to the free conversion of the other spouse to the Christian faith.(Cf. 1 Cor 7:16) Sincere married love, the humble and patient practice of the family virtues, and perseverance in prayer can prepare the non-believing spouse to accept the grace of conversion.

You’ll notice the Church does not teach that verbal preaching is the primary means by which non-Catholic spouses are converted. Life is what is important. My experience is that the best preaching is to be joyful in your own faith…think how Elisabeth Leseur impressed her husband, not by her apologetics, which she had to abandon as futile, but by how she lived, no matter what suffering she had to endure. God used her ongoing conversion to win the husband over in the end. The husband hated God, but he could not but love his wife, because of how she loved him. He had to stop assaulting God, because of how she loved God. After she died, the desire of her heart was granted. Our own conversion is what God put in our hands, within the reach of our cooperation. We must start there…and He can use that.

And if your wife dies first? The Church teaches that we may despair of no soul, as God may have ways unknown to us of saving anyone. We must not despair even of those who seemed to have died in hatred of God. We never know, not in any particular case.

Jesus Christ thirsts for your wife, far more than you do. Join your thirst with His thirst, and learn about how much He loves you. Cherish and nourish that marriage of yours as if your life depends on it.
 
Hmmm. Well, yes I did have full knowledge of her religion (Christian-Scientist) before marriage. In our pre-marriage class at my Catholic parish, we discussed her religion. We were asked to write down the one thing we would want the other person to do before marriage. I worte down, “convert to Catholicism”. That erupted into a huge scene with lots of tears from her. She then laughed during the blessing of the rings ceremony. She is not religious at all and is still a good person. But she will not convert ONLY because her mom will not convert for C-S. Her mom remarried when my wife was in grade school. She married a Catholic who never got an annulment??? So, because her mom did not convert, she didn’t convert. My wife gets propaganda C-S emails every day from her Grandma that ticks me off so much. I thought I could have converted her by now. How can I evangelize if I can’t even convert my own wife? I am miserable.
Here is your problem. You will not convert her, the Holy Spirit will.

Sometimes with someone close to us it will not be how hard we try to convert them that will cause their eyes to be opened to the fullness of the truth but something someone else has done or said to them.

Your job now is to love her as Christ loved His Church and pray.

Brenda V.
 
Well, I screwed up last night. I prayed a rosary and just prayed for God’s guidance on dealing with my wife. When I got home from work we fought about something else (in my other thread) and I brought up among other things that I think she should get baptised. I haven’t mentioned for over 5 years anything about getting baptised or conversion but I brought it up last night. I was too mad so the message got lost. It was a failure and I set all progress backwards. I never know when God is the one pushig me forward or the devil.

I told her I regretted marrying her and that her desire to please her mom and not me is killing this marriage.
 
Well, I screwed up last night. I prayed a rosary and just prayed for God’s guidance on dealing with my wife. When I got home from work we fought about something else (in my other thread) and I brought up among other things that I think she should get baptised. I haven’t mentioned for over 5 years anything about getting baptised or conversion but I brought it up last night. I was too mad so the message got lost. It was a failure and I set all progress backwards. I never know when God is the one pushig me forward or the devil.

I told her I regretted marrying her and that her desire to please her mom and not me is killing this marriage.
Time for a sincere apology. Loving her in this instance requires you to tell her that you did not mean it, you are sorry for saying it, and ask for forgiveness.
 
I will apologize to her. But, I honestly do regret marrying her and I do want her to get baptised. I’m stuck. That being said, I do love her too and want our marriage to work…in the same sense though I think my life would have been much happier and peaceful had married someone different. Love the one your with, right?
 
in the same sense though I think my life would have been much happier and peaceful had married someone different.
Maybe, maybe not. But our lives, including our marriages, aren’t all about personal happiness. Let all of this draw you closer to God. Hopefully she will draw closer, too, though it’s no guarantee.

It sounds like a lot of your unhappiness is about her relationship with her family and your desire for more influence. As others have said, let the Holy Spirit lead her. Sometimes it takes decades, but sometimes those who are well loved and prayed for and still take the longest time are also those who are the strongest in the faith when they finally come home. People will surprise you.

Don’t “go there” with the 30 year picture. Just share your lives one day at a time.

I love your humility in admitting what you said in your argument with her and your willingness to apologize.

You talk a lot about what you want. Leave this up to what God wants. Her conversion is not under your control, but your willingness to please God by staying with her is. Your willingness over the long haul might end up being what she needs. Don’t give up when the going gets tough. Hanging in there is a great way to show God you love Him. God is giving you a great opportunity to grow in holiness.

Praying for your fortitude. It’s likely God has plans for you just where you are.
 
My impatience I suppose it was is bothering me. I just can’t fathom living the next 30 years without her converting. She will not convert until her grandma and mother die. That’s the sad fact. They influence her more than I ever could. If she converted our marriage would be so much more blessed and would be scaramental. My wife was never baptised. She isn’t even a protestant. She’s Christian Scientist which is not Christian and not Science. It’s, in my opinon, satanic.

I at least want her to get baptised!
Unfortunatly these are the sort of things that should have been considered before getting married. Now you are in a marriage that is valid and it is highly doubtful that an annulment would be granted.

So the choices are stay in the marriage, divorce civilly and stay “single” the rest of your life, or divorce civilly and remarry out side of the Church and separate your self from the sacraments.
 
I think what you need to concentrate on is
a) You are married and promised for better or worse til death.
b) You are a father to a little girl AND your wife is pregnant, do you really want them to grow up without a father?

So…stop talking about divorce and learn to work at your marriage, for the sake of your children! One day your wife will be an orphan, and perhaps then she will consider becoming a Catholic. Until then: pray and be a good husband and father! If your children see you argue over your different faiths, the children WILL pick up on it sooner or later, I know I did! And I didn’t become Catholic until both my dad and grandmother were dead, it would have been world war 3 in the family otherwise!
 
For the sake of your children, I pray your wife will come to Jesus.

One thing to note, should it every come to it, you may want to investigate the VERY RARE Petrine Privilege:

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=7272

**The Petrine Privilege **

The Pauline Privilege does not apply when a Christian has married a non-Christian. In those cases, a natural marriage exists and can be dissolved for a just cause, but by what is called the Petrine Privilege rather than by the Pauline Privilege. The Petrine Privilege is so-named because it is reserved to the Holy See, so only Rome can grant the Petrine Privilege. The Petrine Privilege is rarely approved. It is the dissolution of a valid, but non-sacramental, natural bond of marriage by the Holy See in certain, specified cases. The determination is based on case-specific facts and circumstances, and is not often used.

A biblical precedent for the Petrine Privilege, where some of the faithful marry unbelievers and then are permitted to divorce them, is found in the book of Ezra where the Jews put away their foreign (pagan) wives. …We have broken faith with our God and have married foreign women from the people of the land…Therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord…
…separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from the foreign wives.15
 
Why don’t you do something good for your marriage and explore this wonderful website… www.foryourmarriage.org
setup by the bishops.

Plus then sometime soon, encourage your wife to go with you on a marriage encounter. It’s a great way to get your marriage back on track and also help you pray for your wife, and possibly even plant the seed of conversion. Do this for your family and for you. And keep praying for her.

wwme.org/ You will be in my prayers
 
For the sake of your children, I pray your wife will come to Jesus.

One thing to note, should it every come to it, you may want to investigate the VERY RARE Petrine Privilege:

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=7272

**The Petrine Privilege **

The Pauline Privilege does not apply when a Christian has married a non-Christian. In those cases, a natural marriage exists and can be dissolved for a just cause, but by what is called the Petrine Privilege rather than by the Pauline Privilege. The Petrine Privilege is so-named because it is reserved to the Holy See, so only Rome can grant the Petrine Privilege. The Petrine Privilege is rarely approved. It is the dissolution of a valid, but non-sacramental, natural bond of marriage by the Holy See in certain, specified cases. The determination is based on case-specific facts and circumstances, and is not often used.

A biblical precedent for the Petrine Privilege, where some of the faithful marry unbelievers and then are permitted to divorce them, is found in the book of Ezra where the Jews put away their foreign (pagan) wives.
…We have broken faith with our God and have married foreign women from the people of the land…Therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord…
…separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from the foreign wives.15
But for this to be in effect we would have to see what the Catholic Church says about Christian Science and whether or not it (by it I mean the Church) views it as being Christian. If it does then the marriage can be sacramental.

I just find it sad that someone who got into a marriage knowing many of these things, by evidence of recieving a dispensation, is looking for a way out of that marriage especially when there are children involved and the only issue seems to be a reluctance of the spouse to convert when this issue has not even been raised since the marriage.

Communication needs to be worked on by this couple.
 
The OP has stated his wife has never been baptized (standard for christian science adherents). She is a non-Christian.
 
Despite what I have written about my wife and her religion, I do love her very much. When I was single, I prayed to God for a wife. Long story short I know that we were meant to marry each other. I know it was divine intervention that brought my wife and aI together. I often get depressed after being frustrated about her religion and lack of willingness to convert (even though I never bring it up). I have never been a patient person and alone causes most of the turbulence in my marriage.

We have made up and I took the advice of people in this thread. I will continue to honor my marriage vows to her. I love my son and soon to be next child too much anyways. One of the posters mentioned that the devil hates fidelity. I am quite sure that I was being tempted the other day. The devil has tempted me previously in other ways which I have shot down. I failed to recognize the temptation the other day when I originated this thread.

I absoluetly do not know what I would do without this website and forum to seek and get advice.

There will be a happy ending here. My wife and I love each other too much. I know she will convert someday, but I will place all my trust in God for that.
 
Despite what I have written about my wife and her religion, I do love her very much. When I was single, I prayed to God for a wife. Long story short I know that we were meant to marry each other. I know it was divine intervention that brought my wife and aI together. I often get depressed after being frustrated about her religion and lack of willingness to convert (even though I never bring it up). I have never been a patient person and alone causes most of the turbulence in my marriage.

We have made up and I took the advice of people in this thread. I will continue to honor my marriage vows to her. I love my son and soon to be next child too much anyways. One of the posters mentioned that the devil hates fidelity. I am quite sure that I was being tempted the other day. The devil has tempted me previously in other ways which I have shot down. I failed to recognize the temptation the other day when I originated this thread.

I absoluetly do not know what I would do without this website and forum to seek and get advice.

There will be a happy ending here. My wife and I love each other too much. I know she will convert someday, but I will place all my trust in God for that.
Often people come to online forums claiming to seek advice, but really wanting people to give them support for what they already plan to do. Obviously you are not one of them.

Your love for God and your love for your wife are so clear in this post. You really moved me. Thanks for your great example.
 
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