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Barbkw
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They do you continue to bring those two scenarios up? Neither deal with sexual acts.
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mgreen77
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Neither does playing with dolls, hating sports or dressing in feminine clothes, but the Narth essay says those things are indicative of a “Gender Identity Disorder” when a boy does it.
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Barbkw
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Read deeper into the article.
These children with identity disorders exclude contact with groups of people. Mentally and physically cutting themselves off from interpersonal contact with them.
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oldbrit2009
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Mgreen,
I think you are reading into the article something that just isn’t there. The article is saying nothing of the sort.
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benedictus2
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ManOnFire
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It seems that some boys have demanding, perfectionist mothers whose dream it is to provide an ideal life for their children. Part of their ideal dream is their belief that the mother’s role is to save the children from any and all discomfort and struggle, while bieing very rigid with the rules, in an attempt to FORM the child into this perfect little object, instilling confidence and ego, while shielding the child from conflict with the rest of the world. Although there’s plenty of conflict with the mother herself, becuase the mother is laying down the strict rules to FORM her ideal child. This ideal child, in effect, becomes a “princess.” This princess’ only conflict has come from the mother, since the mother protected the child from most of the conflict with the outside world. The child might excell thanks to the mother’s strict standards, but if the child is a boy, he remembers all the criticism from his mother (remember, mother sheilded him and defended him from society’s criticisms). Naturally, he’s not very attracted to women, because his mother was his greatest source of criticism, in her attempt to create her vision of the ideal childhood. He might even despise women due to his lopsided experience perception of women: the nagging, demanding mother, who was the only real source of conflict in his life.
If the child seems fragile, this makes sense because the mother tried to protect him from the “mean” society, so naturally, he has a low pain tolerance thanks to all the protectionism. The parent’s over-protectionism almost makes the child feel like a victim relative to the rest of society once the child grows older and must face the world. The child was raised center-of-the-universe style, so he believes that it’s the rest of society’s responsibility to conform to him, otherwise there is injustice. Sound familiar?
This is why truly poor countries don’t have this problem: they don’t have the luxury to shield a child this well during childhood.
Does this help SOME people with understanding??? I hope and pray for peace and for broader understanding.
If the child seems fragile, this makes sense because the mother tried to protect him from the “mean” society, so naturally, he has a low pain tolerance thanks to all the protectionism. The parent’s over-protectionism almost makes the child feel like a victim relative to the rest of society once the child grows older and must face the world. The child was raised center-of-the-universe style, so he believes that it’s the rest of society’s responsibility to conform to him, otherwise there is injustice. Sound familiar?
This is why truly poor countries don’t have this problem: they don’t have the luxury to shield a child this well during childhood.
Does this help SOME people with understanding??? I hope and pray for peace and for broader understanding.
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commoncents
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Really? Many gay people are actually very happy. And if acceptance of homosexuality and viewing it as “not a big deal” is what causes gender issues to progress into homosexuality, why are there homosexuals in Saudi Arabia? Why were there homosexuals throughout history when it was viewed as something that wasn’t normal?
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commoncents
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Are you a psychologist? What makes you the authority to say that homosexuality is a psychological disorder. I could say that vegetarians have a psychological disorder. The body was made to eat meat, right?
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FightingFat
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It is hardly constructive to have a debate on this sort of level because we can only agree to disagree. I have known as friends and colleagues a not inconsiderable number of homosexual persons. Many are the star of the party and fantastic fun to go out with, but all of them were privately, deeply depressed and never satisfied with their lifestyle.
There is no doubt that the phenomenon of homosexuality, complex as it is, and with its many consequences for society, has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained.
In Romans 1:18-32, still building on the moral traditions of his forebears, but in the new context of the confrontation between Christianity and the pagan society of his day, Paul uses homosexual behaviour as an example of the blindness which has overcome humankind. Instead of the original harmony between Creator and creatures, the acute distortion of idolatry has led to all kinds of moral excess. Paul is at a loss to find a clearer example of this disharmony than homosexual relations. Finally, 1 Tim. 1, in full continuity with the Biblical position, singles out those who spread wrong doctrine and in v. 10 explicitly names as sinners those who engage in homosexual acts.
To chose someone of the same sex for one’s sexual activity is to annul the rich symbolism and meaning, not to mention the goals, of the Creator’s sexual design. Homosexual activity is not a complementary union, able to transmit life; and so it thwarts the call to a life of that form of self-giving which the Gospel says is the essence of Christian living. This does not mean that homosexual persons are not often generous and giving of themselves; but when they engage in homosexual activity they confirm within themselves a disordered sexual inclination which is essentially self-indulgent.
As in every moral disorder, homosexual activity prevents one’s own fulfillment and happiness by acting contrary to the creative wisdom of God. The Church, in rejecting erroneous opinions regarding homosexuality, does not limit but rather defends personal freedom and dignity realistically and authentically understood.
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Tigg
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Good insights. I’ve often wondered why many who defend the position that SSA is something you are born with, many times do not consider that the human person is both body and soul. Homosexual or straight, we are still spiritual creatures and no matter our struggle with the flesh, we hopefully will come to know our inherent weaknesses, strengths and disorders and direct our total human person toward the Creator. In responding to His grace we take advantage of the many means He has provided us to grow in spiritual awareness and are healed in accordance with His Will by walking in the light of His Truth. We can discover this “truth” by the practice of virtue and spiritual exercises leading to piety, the sacramental life, mortification and much prayer. Then we will live in reality and know who we really are.
Would not the “discovery” part, regardless of the argument for or against that some are born with SSA, lead to an integration of our entire being with God’s truth WHO does desire our happiness and the fullness of life for all.
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oldbrit2009
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Commoncents,
“Are you a psychologist? What makes you the authority to say that homosexuality is a psychological disorder.”
I would be very careful about making sweeping statements like that. There are all kinds of people on discussion boards.
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