Anti-Catholic Documentary?!

[weller2]

Also, I recall visiting a website a few years ago that gave solid defense against lies with regard to the scandal… does anyone know of this website? We all know many documentaries share more lies and opinion than truth.

You can read the official investigation reports from the links below. Please be advised however, that it is not going to be an easy lecture:

Murphy commission report (Ireland)

Cloyne report (Ireland)

John Jay report (US) (PDF)

 

[weller2]

Another thing to consider, ( if it hasn’t already been mentioned ) is how many accusations have actually been proven? Amazing how many cases were opened as soon as the Church started giving cash settlements.

This is figure 4.1 from the John Jay report:



You can see that the accusations were widespread BEFORE the Church started giving out cash settlements. Note further, that no more than 13% of cases were reported by a legal filing. If we uncharitably assume that all legal filings were extortion attempts, that leaves 87% of reports which were legit.

The figure of 3% of priests were involved is I believe high.
Somewhere I read it was lower than that. I wish I could remember where I read that…

The actual number of accused priests was 4%. John Jay report, page 8.

I will try to remember. If it only happened once that is one time too many, but the fact remains that statically one of the safest places in the world for a child to be is around a Catholic priest. .

AD2015, yes, but AD1980 it was quite different. See figure 1.1 in the report (page 8).

You may be also interested to learn that one very important fact has been suppressed by the media because it is politically incorrect. It can be seen on on Figure 1.4, which, I believe, requires no comment:

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

This is figure 4.1 from the John Jay report:

https://imgur.com/FETzAq8

You can see that the accusations were widespread BEFORE the Church started giving out cash settlements. Note further, that no more than 13% of cases were reported by a legal filing. If we uncharitably assume that all legal filings were extortion attempts, that leaves 87% of reports which were legit.

The actual number of accused priests was 4%. John Jay report, page 8.

AD2015, yes, but AD1980 it was quite different. See figure 1.1 in the report (page 8).

You may be also interested to learn that one very important fact has been suppressed by the media because it is politically incorrect. It can be seen on on Figure 1.4, which, I believe, requires no comment:

https://imgur.com/SHVc3iO

Wow. Seeing that is just… Wow…

 

[10gr8kids]

Thanks for the added information.

You’re welcome, sorry I didn’t respond sooner

I think the disconnect might be the timing of the guidance received. The timing is actually critical in what people believe about any church.

When the Spirit of Truth leads us, we don’t follow immediately. We test the truth we receive, and in that testing; we stray from the path given because we don’t see it clearly at first. Our vision is sometimes murky because we are not infallible creatures.

I agree with this as far as individuals go, however, while the Church may not always see the Truth clearly right away, she is never led astray

However, the phrased you used:

Her claim is that she is protected, by the Holy Spirit, from teaching error as Truth in matters of faith and morals.

That phrase makes no allowance for those who guide the church to have anything but instant truth. If that truth were instant, there would be no history of error on the part of the church. If there were never any error, we would not have Protestants today. Just as it was with Protestants from several hundred years ago, many people would never have died at the hands of those who claimed to be disciples of Jesus if true faith and morals were instantly known.

I don’t believe the truth has to be instant. We see in Acts how there was much debate on whether or not the Gentiles needed to be circumcised. While some of the people in the Church thought they needed to be, this was not a teaching of the Church. It wasn’t until after the Council of Jerusalem that the Church settled the matter and taught as a revealed Truth that circumcision is not needed. Sometimes it is hard to separate people in the Church, especially if they are leaders, from the Church herself. One of the things Martin Luther was unhappy about was the selling of indulgences, though this was done, it was not a teaching of the Church. Here is a good article about that.
catholic.com/quickquestions/does-the-catholic-church-still-sell-indulgences
Take the issues of today, though priests have abused children and Bishops covered it up, the Church has never taught this to be good or true. While it is very sad and embarrassing, it isn’t a teaching.

I believe that the doctrines of the Catholic church are aligned with the Bible more than other Christian doctrines that I am aware of, but I have difficulty with a couple of them. They are of little consequence to me; however, and I align myself with any and all who work daily to take up the cross and follow Christ Jesus. If those people display the fruit of the Spirit in their journey; humility should be seen as well as meekness.

Would you agree with that?

I do agree with this, and I’m thankful for the leaders of our Church and all those of other Christian faiths who are a good example of this. It would be great if only those who lived by the fruit of the spirit were members of the Christian faith. (Of course, sadly, I wouldn’t be included. Lol) Sometimes, though, I wonder if that isn’t why Jesus had picked Judas for one of the twelve; so we would know that the Church would have some un-Christian like members. This also makes me think of separating the wheat from the chaff, Jesus says let it grow together, He will separate it when it’s time.

 

[Thorolfr]

If you take a look at the size of the Church, you’ll see that even 3% isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be.

Don’t forget that the scandal was not only about the perpetrators of the abuse which might have been fairly small, but because it is alleged that many bishops appeared to be covering the abuse up. Only a few days ago, Bishop Robert Finn was supposedly forced to resign over this kind of issue. I don’t personally know enough about all of this to have an opinion about whether these allegations are true.