Anti-Christ Abolish the Mass?

[dizzy_dave]

I’ve read recently when the Anti-Christ comes he will abolish the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass, how is this possible, how will it be done?
How will he be able to take that away from 1 billion plus Catholics?:bigyikes:

 

[Bud_Stewart]

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass hasn’t been celebrated in many Christian Churches since the reformation, so it is certainly possible for Christians to ‘give up the Mass’.

There is indeed a current attack on the Eucharist in some of today’s society and not all the attackers are based outside the Church. The “Spirit of Ecumenism” has in many “progressive” parishes led to actions that have devalued the Eucharist. We can see the fruits of these actions in our clergy’s reluctance to refuse the Sacrament to non-believers and notorious sinners.

Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that Ecumenism is wrong or without value. I am saying that some within the Church have misinterpreted this concept. Christian unity can not, should not, be achieved by Catholics becoming more “protestant”. The Catholic Church is the True Church and we celebrate the True Mass and have the Eucharist. We should welcome all non-Catholic Christian home, not change Christ’s Church to meet the sensibilities of those currently outside.

I don’t believe that the Holy Spirit will ever leave the Catholic Church and the Mass undefended, but we are surely in danger if we don’t act, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to protect the Mass.

 

[space_ghost]

That “end times stuff will drive you bonkers” i suggestion, stay away from it… That is someone elses (not official church teaching) intrepretation of whats cooking (or not cooking for this question) when the end or “rapture”, or “tribulation”, you know Lorraine Boetners Late Great Planet Earth…

Jesus said only His Father in Heaven knew when the END was, so be ready…

Don’t get caught up in the details… Focus on the prise (heaven)…

In my view the anti-christ (satan) has been here all along… just hoping to confuse you and drive us all crazy with supposition…
Don’t loose focus daniel son, wax on, wax off… sorry, another story…

 

[michael_servant]

Jesus said in Revelation 3: 15-16 “I know that you are neither cold or hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, beause you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth”. Don’t get passive Bud Stewart…stay “…hot” for the Lord my brother.

 

[Bud_Stewart]

michael servant:

Jesus said in Revelation 3: 15-16 “I know that you are neither cold or hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, beause you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth”. Don’t get passive Bud Stewart…stay “…hot” for the Lord my brother.

Thanks, I’ll stay strong. As I hope you will too.

 

[Salmon]

space ghost:

That “end times stuff will drive you bonkers” i suggestion, stay away from it… That is someone elses (not official church teaching) intrepretation of whats cooking (or not cooking for this question) when the end or “rapture”, or “tribulation”, you know Lorraine Boetners Late Great Planet Earth…

Don’t get caught up in the details…

We can dump a lot of justified criticism upon Lorraine Boettner, but he is not responsible for writing “The Late Great Planet Earth”.

That would be the fault of Hal Lindsey.

Peace in Christ…Salmon

 

[EUSTACHIUS]

michael servant:

Jesus said in Revelation 3: 15-16 “I know that you are neither cold or hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, beause you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth”. Don’t get passive Bud Stewart…stay “…hot” for the Lord my brother.

Revelation3:15-16
And to the angel of the church of Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, who is the beginning of the creation of God: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot. I would thou wert cold or hot. But because thou art lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.

michael servant don’t be a protestant and try to intrepret script on you own. Many people who read this versus and interpret it to mean that Jesus wills people to be good or evil. This versus has to be read in the context of Laodicea at the time that Revelations was written. At that time, Laodicea was renowned for an eye ointment that they made and people came from all over the known world to get this ointment. The process for making this ointment required both hot water and cold water that the Laodicean got from natural hot and cold springs in their area. Because of the success of their ointments the Laodicean became greedy and desired to increase their production. To do this they created a duct work to transport the water to a more convention location, the problem was that by the time the water reached the location, both hot and cold, had become lukewarm and was in turn useless.

When you read this scripture in the proper context it is easy to see that what Jesus wills is for people to be useful (hot or cold), not useless (lukewarm).

Be useful!

Acts 8:27:31
And rising up, he went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch, of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge over all her treasures, had come to Jerusalem to adore. And he was returning, sitting in his chariot and reading Isaias the prophet. And the Spirit said to Philip: Go near and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias. And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest? Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

 

[Luke24]

First I would like to point out that the book you are referring to in the beginning of your post is called THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST. It is written to inform us not only of what happened in the history of the church, but to warn those of the apostacy in the last days, and the judgement of God on the world. Of the seven churches mentioned, the catholic church falls into all the churches categories listed except the sixth one.

I am not sure where you got your information from on these next couple of paragraphs, since the waters came from a hot spring and were full of sulfur. Have you ever smelled sulfur? Have you ever tasted sufur? It stinks and it tastes horrible! Any reliable Bible encyclopeadia will tell you this. What Jesus is getting across here is that the works of this church do nothing for him; they stink and they taste bad. Spew means to vomit. So Jesus is going to vomit those of this church out of His mouth unless they repent. A parallel passage is:
Zechariah 11:8-11 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another. And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

I am not sure who this Michael is but if he is reading his Bible then he is on the right track.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. All. 2Sa 23:2; Mt 21:42; 22:31-32; 26:54,56; Mr 12:24,36; Joh 10:35; Ac 1:16; 28:25; Ro 3:2; 15:4; Ga 3:8; Heb 3:7; 4:12; 2Pe 1:19-21
and is. Ps 19:7-11; 119:97-104,130; Mic 2:7; Ac 20:20,27; 1Co 12:7; Eph 4:11-16
for doctrine. 2Ti 3:10
for reproof. 2Ti 4:2; Pr 6:23; 15:10,31; Joh 3:20; Eph 5:11-13; Heb 11:1
for instruction. 2Ti 2:25; De 4:36; Ne 9:20; Ps 119:9,11; Mt 13:52; Ac 18:25; Ro 2:20

By the way, my name is still on the church books. I was born and raised a catholic.
Humbly in Jeshua Hamesheach, (Jesus my Messiah)
Luke 24

 

[Luke24]

Do you actually know what Scripture Philip was helping the eunuch to understand? You took the verse out of context because if you quoted the whole passage as you should you will see something truly amazing! I will include it so then you will know.

Acts 8:26-39 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

The eunuch had already heard about Jesus and was probably and Ethiopian Jew since he was reading the Tenach, but since he did not understand what had taken place in Jerusalem he needed instruction. Notice it is God who sends Philip to him.

Here is the portion of Isaiah that was shared:

Isaiah 53:7-8 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. Does this fit with the crucifixion or doesn’t it? Think about how long before God gave the prophesy to Isaiah.

Humbly in Jeshua Hamesheach (Jesus my Messiah)
Luke 24

 

[Luke24]

This is a continuation of my previous posts…

Is it always your practice to pull things out of context and make it fit what man teaches? Do you truly believe in Jesus Christ? If you do read what He has to say!

Matthew 7:13-23 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You missed the point of the message here: Jesus Christ is our Savior and His death and resurrection are the payment for our sins, not some man made teaching. You say not to interpret Scripture, but this seems very plain to me. The rule of thumb when reading God’s Word is when it makes sense seek no other sense. Yes there are similes and metaphors in the Bible, but God inspired the writers to put them there so we with our limited knowledge can even slightly understand how God thinks and deals with us; we are given examples in our terms. It is not mystical.

Your Quote: Acts 8:27:31

And rising up, he went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch, of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge over all her treasures, had come to Jerusalem to adore. And he was returning, sitting in his chariot and reading Isaias the prophet. And the Spirit said to Philip: Go near and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias. And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest? Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Also a neat passage to read is Luke 24:13-32, this should dispel the eucharist theory you have been taught.

Humbly in Jeshua Hamesheach,
Luke 24

 

[Luke24]

Can someone tell me where in the whole Bible does it say we have to “practice or participate” in the mass? I do not find one reference to it; all I can find is that the early Christians gathered in someone’s home to have a time of worship and fellowship out side of the Temple.

I also note that at the end of your post you have a prayer to Mary. I find no place in Scripture where we are to pray to anyone but God.

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If Mary is sinless et al then why did she need a Savior?

Luke 1:46-55 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

I also find no place in Scripture where we are to call anyone Father except for our Father in Heaven.

Matthew 23:9-10 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Job 32:21-22; 2 Corinthians 6:17-18 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

1 John 3:1-3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

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Humbly in Jesus Christ my Messiah
Luke 24

 

[Luke24]

continued from the previous post…
Salvation is by faith in Christ alone.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hebrews 11 all

Romans 5:1-2 ** Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.**

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Ephesians 2:4-10 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

1 By Christ’s resurrection, 12 he proves the necessity of our resurrection, against all such as deny the resurrection of the body. 21 The fruit, 35 and the manner thereof; 51 and of the changing of them that shall be found alive at the last day.
I declare. 1Co 3:1-11; 1:23; 2:2-7; Ac 18:4-5; Ga 1:6-12

which also. 1Co 1:4-8; Mr 4:16-20; Joh 12:48; Ac 2:41; 11:1; 1Th 1:6; 2:13; 4:1; 2Th 3:6

ye stand. Ro 5:2; 2Co 1:24; 1Pe 5:12

Now these are just a few of the doctrines preached by the apostles and are backed up in the Old Testament. What was new was that we are justified by Christ’s death burial and resurrection and not by the works of the Law. Paul explains this in Romans and also in Hebrews the whole plan is laid out. How do these measure up to what you have been taught?

Humbly in Jesus Christ my Savior and LORD,
Luke 24

 

[quintessential5]

Wow…you ask many good questions but it seems you’ve piled them all into one thread. I recommend that you post these various questions into different threads so that each question can be addressed.