Anti-Church Cartoon

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These kids are far from innocent. Interesting how the same crowd who has been pushing MTV, Teen Cosmo, free condoms and secret abortions for teens, and practically every single vehicle of corruption in the media are now crying “for the children”!
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Seems to me the issue about the cartoon is how *gratuitous* it is: what in heaven's name does the Mark Foley scandal have to do with the Church? I mean, why not drag in Mel Gibson? Or, how about a cartoon connecting Mr. Foley to Tom Cruise and Scientology?  :mad:
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These kids are far from innocent. Interesting how the same crowd who has been pushing MTV, Teen Cosmo, free condoms and secret abortions for teens, and practically every single vehicle of corruption in the media are now crying “for the children”!
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Seems to me the issue about the cartoon is how *gratuitous* it is: what in heaven's name does the Mark Foley scandal have to do with the Church? I mean, why not drag in Mel Gibson? Or, how about a cartoon connecting Mr. Foley to Tom Cruise and Scientology?  :mad:
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Pat Oliphant is a syndicated editorial cartoonist for the Washington Times… did you expect anything else from him. Editorial cartoonists are akin to court jesters. They’re not artists and they aren’t writers… they’re like hybrid bikes… they don’t do either real well. but they’re generic and bland and loved by the public.
 
At least this cartoon supports the notion that the priesthood was infiltrated by pedophiles and not that priests started out with pure intentions and then became corrupt.
 
:mad: :banghead: Will it ever end Lord? 😦
Nope. And it shouldn’t. We need to remind the bishops everyday that they screwed up. Screwed up bad. And that they need to suffer the consequences of their illegal, immoral, and imprudent actions.
 
Yes, those who KNOWINGLY and deliberately did wrong should be punished.

But how many of these bishops–at the time that they were ‘reassigning’ these priests–KNEW that: 1. The said priest was NOT ‘cured’ even though medical experts and the priest himself assured the bishop he WAS cured. 2. Without doubt, sending this priest to a new parish would ENSURE that the priest would sin again. 3. Deliberately defied the law–or, to put it differently, at the TIME there was a LAW of mandatory reporting FOR the church which the bishop did not report to.

Very few bishops in the 60s, 70s, 80s, even early 90s (and I do not believe that there has been documentation of incidents beyond this time which were NOT immediately reported when discovered) knew that pedophilia is not treatable/curable–because until said 90s MEDICAL EXPERTS thought it WAS (the same ones who assured us in 1971 that homosexuality should no longer be considered a ‘disorder’ BTW).

Is ANY bishop a mind reader? Bearing in mind point 1–the idea that pedophilia was considered ‘curable’–how can any person, bishop or not, be totally convinced that this ‘cured’ person would DEFINITELY sin again? Need I remind you that the Catholic faith is a faith FOR SINNERS–by this, I mean that the whole idea of repentence and forgiveness is in itself most Christian. We Christians are famous for giving ‘second chances’–not to mention 70 x 7 chances–to sinners. We tend to believe someone who says that he has sinned but repents and won’t sin again. It is, may I remind you again, above all the responsibility of the person who actually sins, first and foremost.

Finally, there are the points of differing cultural standards. In 2006 we ‘let it all hang out’. In 1966 we did NOT. So-called ‘silence’ and coverups were for the protection of the VICTIM, not the sinner (who often did suffer penance, let’s not assume that all these sinners just said an our father and be done with it). And silence and coverups were NOT limited to the church. Abuses, particularly sexual abuses, were ‘covered up’ whether they took place in a school, a home, whatever. . . Look even today when a woman is raped, we STILL have people thinking “what did she wear or do to ENTICE THE MAN”. I can assure you that people, yes people in 2006, will hear of a young child being abused by her father and will blame the CHILD, won’t want their children to ASSOCIATE with the child or any part of the family, will point fingers, throw stones, etc.

I’m not saying that these stories should not ‘come out’ insofar as they bring or attempt to bring someone to justice for a crime. But I AM saying that sometimes, speaking of a crime like this winds up being harmful to the victim while sometimes the sinner walks away scot free. And this harm will last the lifetime of the victim. It is not all cut-and-dried, black-and-white. Likewise, there are times when an INNOCENT person is FALSELY accused (this did happen both in my diocese a few years ago and also with Cardinal Bernardin I recall). There are still people who revile both this priest and the Cardinal even though they were innocent.

I think that there should be much less frenzy and stone-throwing and much MORE real impartial justice, toward both victim and accused. . .whether for priests, laity, children. . .

I think it is unhealthy for there to be so much emphasis on any one group’s ‘sins’ (as though only priests abused) or to act as though it is only because they are Catholic priests (as if the Catholic faith itself embraces pedophilia) that they sin, and unfortunately this is the message that many walk away with. When I start seeing ‘equal coverage’ of abuse, when I see the same emphasis given to abusers who are fathers, teachers, etc., when I start hearing that fathers abuse because it’s part of being a man, that teachers abuse because they are in positions of authority, that special opprobrium should be heaped on incestuous fathers because they defy a universal ban on sex with not only a child but his own flesh and blood, and on teachers because they are role models and authority for children. . .and when I start hearing that the reason these men abused is because they are atheists, Jews, Muslims, Protestants, etc. . .then I might consider the current media frenzy BALANCED in coverage.
 
Many bishops “felt uncomfortable” talking about the sex abuse scandal w/ the pope. Which is an EXCUSE. And the these same bishops were BADLY TRAINED. You know getting the offender the doctor is one thing, but for God sakes GET THEM A SPIRITUAL DIRECTOR.
 
Yes, but the bishops’ ‘feeling uncomfortable’ is also not the reason that these priests CHOSE to sin.

I didn’t feel exactly ‘comfortable’ talking with my children about the birds and bees, drugs, etc. I am sure that I didn’t do a perfect job, either. If my children were to make a choice to do wrong, though, would it be because I hadn’t been ‘comfortable’ or because I did a less than perfect job?

I wish there were more good spiritual directors in the world. I think that having one, and working with one, is indeed a wonderful idea especially for our priests. But one also has to realize that there are bad spiritual directors too. (sad, but true).

This has been a very difficult time for Catholics–for Christians–the world over, and the repercussions will last beyond my lifetime I’m sure. I KNOW that we have in a sense ‘already won’ the battle but I grieve for all the wounded souls.
 
I think a lot of it was the bishop’s failure to communicate effectively with Pope John Paul II. Another part of it I think is how the Vatican handles news over there. Apparently, sex abuse in Europe is not a story. Americans are much more reactive to it. Many Cardinals apparently had this attitude that the media didn’t affect people. Which is the wrong approach to take! This is a behavior that needs to change. Another is that John Paul was aware of the effects the media had on people. The Cardinals in the Vatican failed to realize that. Personally, if I had been John Paul II, a lot of those bishops would be in the monasteries doing a long long line of penance. Another part, dissent in the seminaries. All told Catholic unorthodoxy.
 
Took me a minute to get it, but I thought it was funny and right.
Because, of course, the sexual abuse of children is just high-larious.
If it was a cartoon poking fun at someone for not falling in line with Catholic teachings, you’d all be rolling.
But that’s exactly what the cartoon shows: Someone not falling in line with Catholic teachings. (Unless, of course, you think it is Catholic teaching to sexually abuse children.) Thus, since no one in here is laughing but you, it seems as if not only is your sense of humor suspect, but also so is your assessment of others.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Took me a minute to get it, but I thought it was funny and right.

If it was a cartoon poking fun at someone for not falling in line with Catholic teachings, you’d all be rolling.
This post is offensive and hurtful to people of good faith. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Do you have any respect for yourself?
 
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