Any Episcopalians or Anglicans on this board?

[QuicumqueVult]

Nor have I read a single apologetic for the legitimacy of being Anglican versus Catholic. By Catholic, I mean, ‘Christians who affirm the primacy of the Bishop of Rome’.

 

[RevDrNorth]

Nor have I read a single apologetic for the legitimary of being Anglican versus Catholic. By Catholic, I mean, ‘Christians who affirm the primacy of the Bishop of Rome’.

I think Bishop Schori said it best when she said Episcopalians are better educated and have a finer sense of/perspective of the global situation in terms of envorinomental and stewardship issues (or something like that). That is why people are Anglican. When their IQ’s go down they will consider conversion to Rome.

{NOTE…NOTE>>>>Just kidding. I have tremendous respect for the Catholic Church and its intellectual history and some very intelligent Catholics such as William F. Buckley…GK Chesterton and so on. Not to mention John Henry Cardianl Newman and Archbisop Sheen. Also, I am joking about Bishop Schori since I have NO doubt her statement has been misrepresented. She seems very sensitive to other faith groups and perspectives}

North

 

[QuicumqueVult]

With all due respect, salvation is a gift. Baptists are much closer to Catholics than Anglicans regarding that truth. At least Baptists consider salvation to be something they are given, a gift of grace bestowed to them despite the fact they are sinners. The difference is that they know they are sinners.

 

[RevDrNorth]

With all due respect, salvation is a gift. Baptists are much closer to Catholics than Anglicans regarding that truth. At least Baptists consider salvation to be something they are given, a gift of grace bestowed to them despite the fact they are sinners. The difference is that they know they are sinners.

There is some truth in that many (most) Baptists are very solidly behind traditional scriptural understanding.

There are many faithful Anglicans who adhere to traditional biblical morality and so on. Both sides actually for the most part are quite sincere in their beliefs and also that they are trying to live out the gospel imperative. I have seen a talk (You Tube) by Bishop Schori and she was very respectful and tolerant of those with more conservative views. She also did not seem to harbor any ill will or feelings of malice and so on.

The whole thing troubles Via Media type ECUSA members who want to maintain the tradition of Anglican tolerance of diverse intellectual opinion.

{Note: this might be as good time as any to note that I am not an ordained ECUSA priest just so there is no confusion and I do not give the impression that I am in any way speaking for ECUSA and so on.}

 

[GKC]

“So, if (1) you live in the USA and (2) desire to be in the Anglican Communion, thus affiliated with a truly global network of like-minded Christian, then you must belong to the Episcopal Church, USA. It does not matter a tinker’s curse whether you believe ECUSA is truly Christian or Anglican. Only if you are an ECUSA loyalist are you a true Anglican, in the ‘Anglican Communion’ sense of the term.”

I know. But no one I know has the slightest desire to be a true Anglican in the Anglican Communion sense of the term, given what that means in terms of what we would be in communion with.

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus

 

[rr1213]

AMIA is not recognized as being in Communion (on the web site). I think they are being cautious about in any way appearing to support these 3rd World Bishops who are pulling what ECUSA feels is ecclesiastical terrorism. On the other hand…if an African Bishop in Communion with Canterbury has made the decison to ordain and reocgnize parishes in the US they ARE in Communion.

AMIA does have Bishops ordained by the Rwandan Bishops and CANA has bishops ordained by the Nigerian Bishops. Considering Akinola has stated that the Nigerians will not be at Lambert if Canterbury does not change its mind and invite Minns…the fat lady has not sung yet on this one.

 

[paarsurrey]

I’m an Anglican, of a traditional flavor.
GKC
Anglicanus Catholicus

Hi
I respect your religion.
I have a little question for you, if you don’t mind answering it. Have the AnglicanGod different attributes with that of a JWsGod or MormonsGod .Please mention from some authoritative Anglical sources.
This is only for information and comparitive study of Christian denomination/faiths.
Please don’t mind.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

 

[mercygate]

Hi
I respect your religion.
I have a little question for you, if you don’t mind answering it. Have the AnglicanGod different attributes with that of a JWsGod or MormonsGod .Please mention from some authoritative Anglical sources.
This is only for information and comparitive study of Christian denomination/faiths.
Please don’t mind.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

Anglicans hold to the Chalcedonian definition of the doctrine of God. That is the same teaching held by the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and all mainstream Protestant denominations.

 

[johnnydigit]

I am an Anglican. And like former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey, I am often ashamed of that fact.

I have come the the conclusion that the Church founded by Jesus Christ necessarily has a Magisterium. If the Church is the mystical Body of Christ whose Soul is the Spirit of Truth, then the mind of the Church, a faculty of the Soul, must possess infallibility since God cannot fail or teach error.

Anglicans have a limited Magisterium in the sensus fidelium, the sense of the Faithful, as she, like all Christian Churches and ecclesial communities are composed of Christians, who are indwelt by the Spirit through Baptism. We also (claim that we) have Bishops in Apostolic Succession. (I know Leo XIII was advised to deny this claim by a slim majority of theologians, and then wrote a Bull claiming our Orders are null and void).

But we do not have Peter’s Successor amongst our collegium episcoporum (college of bishops). So we do not possess the fulness of the Magisterium. And that increasingly bothers me. For truly, as St Ambrose said, Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesiam. (Where Peter is, there is the Church).

That’s a rant. But yes, I’m an Anglican. Any other Anglicans bothered that we don’t acknowledge the Petrine Succession as an Article of Religion, but plainly deny it?

my gut pains with sympathy as i read this. i recently heard a talk from an Anglican Use priest so i hope you are able to use your knowledge to help those in the struggle as well. may God bless you on your journey.

 

[mercygate]

I am an Anglican. And like former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey, I am often ashamed of that fact.

I have come the the conclusion that the Church founded by Jesus Christ necessarily has a Magisterium. If the Church is the mystical Body of Christ whose Soul is the Spirit of Truth, then the mind of the Church, a faculty of the Soul, must possess infallibility since God cannot fail or teach error.

Anglicans have a limited Magisterium in the sensus fidelium, the sense of the Faithful, as she, like all Christian Churches and ecclesial communities are composed of Christians, who are indwelt by the Spirit through Baptism. We also (claim that we) have Bishops in Apostolic Succession. (I know Leo XIII was advised to deny this claim by a slim majority of theologians, and then wrote a Bull claiming our Orders are null and void).

But we do not have Peter’s Successor amongst our collegium episcoporum (college of bishops). So we do not possess the fulness of the Magisterium. And that increasingly bothers me. For truly, as St Ambrose said, Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesiam. (Where Peter is, there is the Church).

That’s a rant. But yes, I’m an Anglican. Any other Anglicans bothered that we don’t acknowledge the Petrine Succession as an Article of Religion, but plainly deny it?

Beautifully expressed. And so true.

Though it is not difficult to find fault with Apostolicae Curae, turns out from the perspective of 100 years that it was prophetic. And for me, as for you, the lynch pin was Peter. If you have Apostolic Succession and Peter is not in your house of bishops: WHAT are you thinking?

Got they gurney and IV drip ready for you when you come. People who have not made this journey across the Tiber have NO idea how painful it is. The Tiber is a river of tears for us, many of them tears of indescribable joy but also many tears of profound grief and sorrow.