Any Miracle Investigators Here?

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Hi, I am a producer who is looking for someone who is a miracle investigator who would like to appear on a tv program about miracles. I know this post sort of violates the rules about commercial posts, but I’m not soliciting any kind of payment. Just wondering if anyone on the forum (even the admins or moderators who are apologists) might have the background and desire to appear. We want to give these cases a very fair shake with a skeptical eye but being open to the fact that a particular miracle is true. Please send me a private message here if you are interested or know anyone who is. Thank you
 
Hello. I think asking around on this forum is fine, and you might have some success.

You are probably already aware of the Association Médicale Internationale de Lourdes. To my knowledge, this is the only permanently established organization dedicated to investigation of miraculous claims (mainly at Lourdes, of course). The Association has no official standing, but any incidents that it approves of are made known to the Bishop, and a recommendation by the Association brings a lot of credibility to the case.

If you could obtain an interview with one of the doctors who are part of the Association it would be fantastic.
 
Thanks. I’d love to. We really need an American who who does this as an amateur or as a part of the church to investigate singular cases for this specific show at this point.
 
There are probably American doctors on the Lourdes association.

Another possible source: Wikipedia lists a handful of Americans who were canonized fairly recently (recent enough that people living today were living at the time of the canonization). A canonization usually involves an investigation of miraculous acts - so a bit of research may divulge the names of people who participated in those investigations, who are likely to be American, and who may still be around.

You might also want to investigate cases which were investigated and determined to have no merit (such as Veronica Lueken’s visions of the BVM in Bayside, NY, which was suppressed by the Bishop).
 
Some links that may or not help.

discussion regarding an example: abc.net.au/compass/s1432868.htm

catholicdoors.com/courses/discern.htm

newadvent.org/cathen/02364b.htm

Some cases: doxa.ws/other/Miracles4.html

catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0397.html

Regarding discernment of miracles, "the 1978 document from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith lists several objective, verifiable criteria to determine the legitimacy of an alleged supernatural occurrence. Let me summarize the process and the norms:
Code:
The case is normally handled by the bishop of the place where the event(s) supposedly take place, as he appoints a commission of experts — theological, medical, psychological — to investigate everything and everyone concerned.
Moral certitude ought to exist that the event is miraculous, that is, that normal human explanations fail, at least initially.
The persons involved should be mentally fit, moral, and obedient to ecclesiastical authority. There should be no suspicion that financial gain could be a motivation.
The content of the message must be in conformity with Catholic doctrine, whether on the part of the seer or on the part of the conveyor of the message (e.g., Our Lord, Our Lady, or some other saint).
One must be able to point to "good fruit" resulting from it and enduring: conversions, deeper commitment to prayer, and an increase in personal charity.
Throughout this often lengthy and detailed process, Church authorities operate from what we might call a “hermeneutic of suspicion.” In other words, the claim must be proved, not presumed. This posture frequently surprises people — Catholics and non-Catholics alike — who seem to imagine that the Church would just be delighted with the prospect of another prodigy. This was certainly the shocked reaction to my statements on the Fox special on which I appeared this summer: “What do you mean the Church is cautious or even suspicious?” But, in fact, she is. "
 
Hi, I am a producer who is looking for someone who is a miracle investigator who would like to appear on a tv program about miracles. I know this post sort of violates the rules about commercial posts, but I’m not soliciting any kind of payment. Just wondering if anyone on the forum (even the admins or moderators who are apologists) might have the background and desire to appear. We want to give these cases a very fair shake with a skeptical eye but being open to the fact that a particular miracle is true. Please send me a private message here if you are interested or know anyone who is. Thank you
There is a site that deals specifically with apparitions/revelations/miracles of Our Lady and the site owner may be contacted (and actually replies to emails), even if not suitable for your purpose, it is one of the most comprehensive sites on this subject around.

here is the link:
www.miraclehunter.com
 
Anybody researching miracles who’s not connected to a bishop, a religious order, or to the Vatican (which is of course connected to the bishop of Rome!) is just some amateur spinning his wheels.Probably somebody way too fixated on the weirdness of spiritual phenomena, instead of treating them as signs to get going down the road and follow God.
 
Hi, I am a producer who is looking for someone who is a miracle investigator who would like to appear on a tv program about miracles. I know this post sort of violates the rules about commercial posts, but I’m not soliciting any kind of payment. Just wondering if anyone on the forum (even the admins or moderators who are apologists) might have the background and desire to appear. We want to give these cases a very fair shake with a skeptical eye but being open to the fact that a particular miracle is true. Please send me a private message here if you are interested or know anyone who is. Thank you
Curious, are you trying to give a fair shake or debunk? Personally, I don’t care either way, but why would you want an American that foes this as an amateur? A relative of mine was a producer of sorts and there are only a few reasons why anyone would generally prefer amateurs… Just curious.
 
Hi, I am a producer who is looking for someone who is a miracle investigator who would like to appear on a tv program about miracles. I know this post sort of violates the rules about commercial posts, but I’m not soliciting any kind of payment. Just wondering if anyone on the forum (even the admins or moderators who are apologists) might have the background and desire to appear. We want to give these cases a very fair shake with a skeptical eye but being open to the fact that a particular miracle is true. Please send me a private message here if you are interested or know anyone who is. Thank you
Miracles are not investigated by lay people who have not been asked to do so by a bishop. Each bishop has the responsiblity (at his discretion) to investigate claims of miracles/visions/locutions, etc. within his diocese. So, there are no “amateur” miracle investigators, American or otherwise. You should contact the local Catholic diocese to ask if they can put you in contact with those involved in doing such investigations.

Be aware, though that they may not appear on a TV program since they would not have control over editing. The Church is cautious about such things because an edit hachet job might bring scandal to the diocese, a perfectly legitimate concern. Besides this, most investigations are done without being publicized to protect the witnesses and others who may not wish to be publically known. Only the bishop’s decision regarding such investigations are usually made public. The details of some cases are sometimes made public if the bishop declares them “worthy of belief.”

There are plenty of documented miracles that you could feature, and you may find people who were a part of them, as witnesses or more directly involved. Again, you should contact the local Catholic diocese.
 
Curious, are you trying to give a fair shake or debunk? Personally, I don’t care either way, but why would you want an American that foes this as an amateur? A relative of mine was a producer of sorts and there are only a few reasons why anyone would generally prefer amateurs… Just curious.
Amateur because there are no “professionals” who wouldnt have entaglements of being connected to the church or be foreign.
 
Amateur because there are no “professionals” who wouldnt have entaglements of being connected to the church or be foreign.
It’s not an entanglement to be a representative of the Church. The Church has no agenda to hide the truth, fudge the facts or mislead. If the diocese agrees to let you question those who investigation claimed miracles, he or she will be straightforward and matter of fact about what they do. The onus would be on you to not put your own “spin” on anything s/he might say.
 
It’s not an entanglement to be a representative of the Church. The Church has no agenda to hide the truth, fudge the facts or mislead. If the diocese agrees to let you question those who investigation claimed miracles, he or she will be straightforward and matter of fact about what they do. The onus would be on you to not put your own “spin” on anything s/he might say.
No, you don’t understand what I mean. I don’t want to engage with a large body like the church for someone to appear. I’d rather work with someone independent that won’t require releases, etc.

The point is, is there anyone here who does this or is interested?
 
No, you don’t understand what I mean. I don’t want to engage with a large body like the church for someone to appear. I’d rather work with someone independent that won’t require releases, etc.

The point is, is there anyone here who does this or is interested?
And I’m afraid you are laboring under a misunderstanding. 🙂 There are NO amateur Catholic miracle investigators. That’s simply not how it works. As I wrote before, the Bishop’s office handles all such investigations. Lay Catholics never take it upon themselves to do such investigations because it would be pointless. Only the bishop can decide the worthiness of any claimed miraculous event. So, you are asking for something that simply doesn’t exist, you see. If you want to pursue this you will have to go through the local diocese. It’s not a matter of getting a “work release” but of getting permission by the bishop. Call the diocese, explain you are doing a piece on miracles. They will direct you to the proper persons. All the best with your project.
 
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