Any wine makers out there? history buffs?

[Daniel_Marsh]

**Columella, On Agriculture ** speaks of his methods of perserving fruit, would any of these methods work on perserving “grape juide”? And, did the Jewish population have access to his methods?

penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Columella/de_Re_Rustica/4*.html

penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Columella/de_Re_Rustica/Praefatio*.html

penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Columella/de_Re_Rustica/1*.html

penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Columella/de_Re_Rustica/2*.html

penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Columella/de_Re_Rustica/3*.html

richmond.edu/~wstevens/history331texts/farming.html

 

[vern_humphrey]

No. And no. And why would they?

Wine or vinegar will be produced naturally, unless the juice is sterilized, kept cold, and not exposed to the air.

Now, if you simply take grape juice and let it sit, it won’t necessarily make a drinkable wine, because the spoors and other microrganisms in the air will starr the fermentation process – and some of those spoors and microrganisms are pretty nasty customers.

But the Jews did – and still do – drink wine. Even Jewish children take watered wine with their meals. So why would they not want to make their most common drink?

 

[Malcolm_McLean]

**Columella, On Agriculture ** speaks of his methods of perserving fruit, would any of these methods work on perserving “grape juide”? And, did the Jewish population have access to his methods?

It is a pure red herring. You might be able to dig up some method of preserving grape juice that was employed in antiquity, but “fruit of the vine” in the gospels is a poetic term for wine. Anyone who knows anything about Judaism would realise that. Sweet red wine is always present at a Sabbath meal.

People who maintain otherwise are trying to force their anti-alcohol prejudices on the text.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

I have no doubt that Jesus drank wine, that wine was used at passover, that Jesus made wine and so on. Simply put, one can not get drunk on grape juice.

But, those who claim that “fruit of the vine” was grape juice employ Columella, On Agriculture to say that Jesus only drank grape juice.

So, I am wondering if Columella, On Agriculture even works at perserving grape juice? It is nine months between late grape harvest and passover. And, I am wondering if Columella, On Agriculture was even known by Jewish people? frankly, I see no evidence that the Jewish people even was aware of anything that Columella, On Agriculture wrote.