Anyone Else Looking Forward to the General Judgment?

[R_C]

I always wondered about what would have happened had the Jews accepted Christ as the Messiah. Would He have still had to suffer and die for our Redemption? On one hand it seems that He had to to fullfill the Old Testament prophecies and therefore had to fullfill the prophecies of Isaiah that talk about the suffering Messiah. But were the prophecies of Isaiah irrevocable? …] But had the Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah, what would have happened?

It seems to me, that it was obvious to Christ that, due to the fallen nature of man, He could never be accepted as the Messiah…there are things in God’s thoughts that are so mysterious, only the Divine Persons can know them…why did the High Priest prophesy: “You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for one man to die, than the whole nation to perish!”

The greatest proof that He could not be accepted as the Messiah is in His life:

• He was greatly surprised by the disbelief of those with whom He had grown up
• even His relatives did not believe in Him
• at the greatest of His teachings, many turned away and no longer walked with Him
• His most faithful follower, Peter, opposed Him at times, and even denied Him in the hour of darkness
• One of His best friends, an apostle, freely chose to betray Him
• All disciples, even the apostles, scattered in the hour of darkness

There was too much imperfection inside man to accept Christ. In fact, we still can barely understand the meaning of Christ, and who He is. He had to do something about us. He had to be lifted up in order to attract us all. He knew it, and He freely chose do endure what was necessary. Only one day, when He comes in glory, will we truly accept Him as the Christ, fully aware of what this title means.

 

[Sam_777]

I agree with the part that the temporal effects are not canceled out by confession, but I don’t agree that God needs public vindication.

As to the question of public vindication, it is true that in the olden days there were such things as public penances. Today, we don’t see such public penances but it is certainly possible that a priest could require a public penance if the sin was of a serious, public nature. For example, if a public official lied or gave scandal in such a way that it needed to be rectified thru a public apology or admission of guilt, I see no reason why priest could not require this as a condition of the penance.

I don’t mind “public vindication” by the Priest in this earthy life, but in the judgement day, I cannot imagine that, and personally I don’t think GOD would do that.

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

I don’t mind “public vindication” by the Priest in this earthy life, but in the judgement day, I cannot imagine that, and personally I don’t think GOD would do that.

He will. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

1039 In the presence of Christ, who is Truth itself, the truth of each man’s relationship with God will be laid bare.626 The Last Judgment will reveal even to its furthest consequences the good each person has done or failed to do during his earthly life

1059 “The holy Roman Church firmly believes and confesses that on the Day of Judgment all men will appear in their own bodies before Christ’s tribunal to render an account of their own deeds” (Council of Lyons II [1274]S 859; cf. DS 1549).

 

[Sam_777]

Thank you Deo Gratias42 for CCC 1039 & 1059, but I understand that vindication will be in-front of GOD Himself not in-front of all humans!.

It does not seems logic that over 100B humans and countless numbers of Angels will be interested to hear every sin of every human!!!

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

Thank you Deo Gratias42 for CCC 1039 & 1059, but I understand that vindication will be in-front of GOD Himself not in-front of all humans!.

It does not seems logic that over 100B humans and countless numbers of Angels will be interested to hear every sin of every human!!!

That’s the Particular Judgment. The General Judgment is in front of everyone and will take a very long time.

 

[HansTrappist]

I don’t mind “public vindication” by the Priest in this earthy life, but in the judgement day, I cannot imagine that, and personally I don’t think GOD would do that.

At the Last Judgement, everyone’s sins will be laid bare and made known. So will all the good that was done but never known. A theodicy will take place and we will see how God used both the good and the bad to achieve His Will.

 

[johnnyjones]

I’m afraid of the judgement, whether it be the white throne judgement or the judgment seat of Christ. No matter what though, I will have to face it. God have mercy.