Anyone familiar with James White?

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I was browsing James Whites website and came across the link
christiantruth.com/mt16.html

This page attempt to refute claims of the papacy and the supremacy of Rome. According to the author, the RCC takes numerous quotes of the early fathers out of context in attempting to prove her point.

So, anyone have a good response?
 
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I was browsing James Whites website and came across the link
christiantruth.com/mt16.html

This page attempt to refute claims of the papacy and the supremacy of Rome. According to the author, the RCC takes numerous quotes of the early fathers out of context in attempting to prove her point.

So, anyone have a good response?
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Does he give specific examples? It is difficult to refute such a broad statement. Also, you do know his sister came home to the Catholic Church-- I believe in the last year or so. She was on Marcus Grodie about six months ago.
 
Yes, I heard about his sister.

And he does give quite specific examples. He lists numerous quotes by church fathers given by Catholic apologists, and then lists more quotes by the same church father that expand on their beliefs and seem to show that the Catholic apologist quote was taken way out of context.

The page is a bit lengthy to give examples here, but a quick skim of the site will give you a general idea. I found the portion on St. Augustine to be of particular interest.
 
Yes, I am familiar with James White - please pray for him!!

I know his sister very well - she came into the Church four years ago at the Easter Vigil. She was on Marcus Grodi originally February 2002 - so you may have seen a re-run of that program.
His sister now runs an apostolate, Mary’s Mantle to help others who face persecution from their families because they are Catholic.

God Bless
 
<< This page attempt to refute claims of the papacy and the supremacy of Rome. According to the author, the RCC takes numerous quotes of the early fathers out of context in attempting to prove her point. >>

Yeah, typical Webster. He is getting his arguments from the old Anglican divines of 100 years ago, who made much better arguments against the Papacy. He just puts a new baptist-evangelical slant on the Anglican arguments. 😃

<< So, anyone have a good response? >>

Steve Ray dealt with Webster about 5 years ago, and in his book Upon This Rock (beware the footnotes in this book, they are long :p). Unfortunately, Steve’s webmaster got a little lazy I guess and took down all the HTML of his articles, prefering to leave them as .doc which I think was a bad idea. But I know how hard it is to maintain a site with consistent links, having hundreds of articles on my apologetics site now. 😃

Steve Ray Responds to Bill Webster

The links will open Word docs, I think if you have Word 2000 or better they should work. If you want some really good scholarship, check out my John Chapman articles

"Rome has spoken, the case is closed" – St. Augustine, Pelagianism, and the Holy See

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I have read a lot of his latest book. It’s a lot of the standard un-scriptural stuff that you see. Most of it is chock full of Bible verses, mostly taken out of context or interpreted in some very creative way. The Chapter on Sola Scriptura was really great though, with about 8 pages or so and only 1 or so scripture reference. Quite telling.

God Bless, Tim
 
<< The Chapter on Sola Scriptura was really great though, with about 8 pages or so and only 1 or so scripture reference. Quite telling. >>

You mean The Roman Catholic Controversy. Yeah, his argument hinges not so much on the biblical evidence for sola scriptura (2 Tim 3:15-17 is all he uses) but that the Catholic is in the same place since we “only have fallible knowledge of an infallible Magisterium” while he has fallible knowledge of his infallible (or inerrant) Bible. This confuses “certainty” with "infallibility" as Cardinal Newman noted 150 years ago. We can be certain God is infallible, so we can be certain the Church is infallible, though we ourselves are fallible. The anti-Catholic Anglican Salmon made the same mistake (certain vs. infallible). Phil Blosser in his chapter in Not By Scripture Alone replied to White, and Webster/King attempt to reply to Blosser. Around it goes, where it stops nobody knows… :confused:

Phil P
 
I did some research on Sola Scriptura and visited White’s website for Protestant enlightenment. Unfortunately there was little enlightenment. In short he does twist scripture and Church Father’s writings, in this case he searches the depths of the Church Fathers writings to find anything that may support Sola Scriptura. Funny thing is he’s going outside the Bible to pove Bible alone! If Augustine said 99 things in favor of tradition, he will find the one saying, sentence, paragraph, whatever and build a case using that arsenol. He, in my opinion is very good as an apologist. Too bad he’s less intereseted in presenting the Truth, than in promoting his agenda.

As a friend of mine pointed out, its much easier being Catholic than non-Catholic. On the surface this may not seem the case, but the more digging and research one does, the more one discovers the truth is in the Catholic Church.
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