Anyone know about the russian orthodox faith?

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My son a nominal catholic has been dating a girl who claims to be a devout Russia Orthodox. My son had been slowly returning to the Faith up until the point that he met the young lady. Now I see that he has become less interested in returning to the faith even though she has told me that my son’s faith is important to him and indicated that if they married he children would be raised Catholic.

This is where the red flags start. As of a month ago he allowed this young lady to move into his apartment because her parent supposedly take all her money and he need to live separate from them. When I asked my son how he could justify cohabiting with this girl, he told me that she is sleeping on the couch.

I do not believe my son, he has lived unchaste before and what I resent the most is him lying to me.

If for some reason any of this is true, I think this is just about the most ridiculous reason I have ever heard for a person the leave the family home. So I invited her family for Thanksgiving, met then and though they are secular people, they seem normal loving parents.

I realize that I have no control over the situation but what would you say to your son at this point?
 
Well what he is doing is most certainly against church teaching. I used to be Russian Orthodox, my father is a priest. If you have any questions about that i can help. Have you tried to have a heart to heart with him?
 
Well what he is doing is most certainly against church teaching. I used to be Russian Orthodox, my father is a priest. If you have any questions about that i can help. Have you tried to have a heart to heart with him?
I have told him that what he is doing is creating scandal. I have told him that by living with this girl he is putting himself in harms way by forming attachment and obligations that will impede his ability to freely discern marriage.

I have told him that he is showing her disrespect by allowing others to think that they are cohabiting without the dignity of marriage.

I am also very much afraid that the girl is lying about her devotion to the Russian Orthodox faith because of this scandalous behavior and claimed religious devotion because my son told her that we (his mom and dad) are devout Catholics and that he has just recently returned to the church himself.

And as a side note do Russian Orthodox believe in having regular contact with ghosts or spirits? Because she tells me that she sees ghosts all the time.
 
I have told him that what he is doing is creating scandal. I have told him that by living with this girl he is putting himself in harms way by forming attachment and obligations that will impede his ability to freely discern marriage.

I have told him that he is showing her disrespect by allowing others to think that they are cohabiting without the dignity of marriage.

I am also very much afraid that the girl is lying about her devotion to the Russian Orthodox faith because of this scandalous behavior and claimed religious devotion because my son told her that we (his mom and dad) are devout Catholics and that he has just recently returned to the church himself.

And as a side note do Russian Orthodox believe in having regular contact with ghosts or spirits? Because she tells me that she sees ghosts all the time.
Well he needs to understand what he is doing is wrong and talking to a priest would greatly help. The Russian Orthodox Church just like the Catholic Church forbids communing with the dead and talking to ghosts. She from my understanding would be excommunicated if she is talking to the dead.
 
Since the fall of Communism many Russians have returned to The Church, but many are confused about what actual Orthodoxy is. Some genuinely do not know that divination, tarot cards, ouiji boards and other spiritualist practices are not compatible with Orthodoxy. The Russian priests are having a bit of a difficult time correcting the vast number of people who were forbidden to know their faith under the Soviets.

However, that’s only the case if her parents or she immigrated from Russia. If not, she would know better.

You could ask her what parish she attends. If she’s devout she’s attending a parish every Sunday for liturgy. Check it against this website here to see if it exists/is actually Orthodox.

You could ask her to explain Orthodox practices, like Icons, chotki, or Orthodox Communion. See if she’s confused when you wish her Merry Christmas on January 7th (or just say “Christ is born!” to her and see if she responds with the correct greeting “Glorify Him!” (although that’s a bit less common knowledge, or she may know it only in Slavonic).

I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t know the whole situation, but it sounds fishy to me. A devout Orthodox would not allow their children to be raised Roman Catholic. I’m sorry if that sounds offensive, but, especially among the most traditional of Russians, anti-Romanism is pretty strong. I don’t know if she just doesn’t know her faith or if she’s not actually Orthodox or what, but, like I said, sounds fishy.
 
Since the fall of Communism many Russians have returned to The Church, but many are confused about what actual Orthodoxy is. Some genuinely do not know that divination, tarot cards, ouiji boards and other spiritualist practices are not compatible with Orthodoxy. The Russian priests are having a bit of a difficult time correcting the vast number of people who were forbidden to know their faith under the Soviets.

However, that’s only the case if her parents or she immigrated from Russia. If not, she would know better.

You could ask her what parish she attends. If she’s devout she’s attending a parish every Sunday for liturgy. Check it against this website here to see if it exists/is actually Orthodox.

You could ask her to explain Orthodox practices, like Icons, chotki, or Orthodox Communion. See if she’s confused when you wish her Merry Christmas on January 7th (or just say “Christ is born!” to her and see if she responds with the correct greeting “Glorify Him!” (although that’s a bit less common knowledge, or she may know it only in Slavonic).

I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t know the whole situation, but it sounds fishy to me. A devout Orthodox would not allow their children to be raised Roman Catholic. I’m sorry if that sounds offensive, but, especially among the most traditional of Russians, anti-Romanism is pretty strong. I don’t know if she just doesn’t know her faith or if she’s not actually Orthodox or what, but, like I said, sounds fishy.
Well, not every Orthodox is devout. Especially cradles. She could be those, “I go every Sunday because my parents drag me to church” types. Or the, “I’m Orthodox because I’m Russian” types.
 
I know what you can do: have a local Orthodox priest and a Catholic priest go have a visit at his home. Also, learn some Eastern devotions like the Jesus prayer and invite them over for prayer and dinner and help her return to her Eastern traditions. The more you push against them the more they will be more solidified in their positions. Pray the rosary in front of the Blessed Sacrament often for their conversion and that she will also return to faith as. Every time I pray the rosary with faith in front of the Blessed Sacrament miracles happen in my life and the impossible becomes possible.
 
Well, not every Orthodox is devout. Especially cradles. She could be those, “I go every Sunday because my parents drag me to church” types. Or the, “I’m Orthodox because I’m Russian” types.
I know, but the OP said the girl herself claims to be “devout Russian Orthodox.”
 
Wow! thank you for the great responses.

Let me clarify her position. She is born in this county and what we call in these parts a mutt- Irish, Italian, german-like my son and myself.
Her parent baptized she Catholic but she never practiced. As and adult, she met friends who were Russian Orthodox and converted. She was rebaptized. The spirit thing seems to be a family superstition from the Italian side of her family. I’m part Italian but I know that our Catholic response to spirits is to avoid contact (my belief is that it is usually demonic). And in my very limited understanding of the Orthodox Church there would be a very serious impediment to marriage for both a catholic and an orthodox when it comes to the raising of children.

Now my son. He was raised Catholic but fell away in college. He has not always lived chaste but understands that he should. Recently after the breakup of a 2 year relationship, he came back to Church went to Confession and started to receive Holy Communion again. I asked him why he decided to come back and he said because he felt good when he was at Mass. (No surprise to me, Thank you Holy Spirit!) Now he meets this young lady, and has given up regular Church attendance and all of the sacraments.

I am reminded of Jesus’s parable of the seed planted among the thorns. It so much sounds like what is happening to my son and maybe even to this young lady.

As a side note, I have great respect for The Orthodox Faith but I think that the demands of both faiths would make for problem if they married.
 
Since the fall of Communism many Russians have returned to The Church, but many are confused about what actual Orthodoxy is. Some genuinely do not know that divination, tarot cards, ouiji boards and other spiritualist practices are not compatible with Orthodoxy. The Russian priests are having a bit of a difficult time correcting the vast number of people who were forbidden to know their faith under the Soviets.

However, that’s only the case if her parents or she immigrated from Russia. If not, she would know better.

You could ask her what parish she attends. If she’s devout she’s attending a parish every Sunday for liturgy. Check it against this website here to see if it exists/is actually Orthodox.

You could ask her to explain Orthodox practices, like Icons, chotki, or Orthodox Communion. See if she’s confused when you wish her Merry Christmas on January 7th (or just say “Christ is born!” to her and see if she responds with the correct greeting “Glorify Him!” (although that’s a bit less common knowledge, or she may know it only in Slavonic).

I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t know the whole situation, but it sounds fishy to me. A devout Orthodox would not allow their children to be raised Roman Catholic. I’m sorry if that sounds offensive, but, especially among the most traditional of Russians, anti-Romanism is pretty strong. I don’t know if she just doesn’t know her faith or if she’s not actually Orthodox or what, but, like I said, sounds fishy.
Yes she tells me her Christmas is Jan 7th. She tells me that she cannot always go the mass because she has moved around alot and does not live near a Russian Church.
She is a American convert who, at the invitation of a Russian friend she met about 5-10 years ago became a Russian Orthodox. I am already sensing and anti-roman catholic vibe. She told me her paternal grandmother is a catholic fanatic. I asked her why she left her catholic faith and she told me that she has a problem with the priest’s greed (I honestly don’t know what priests finances are, but I don’t think they live in luxury)and that Catholics keep changing things like the wording in the Creed.

I am trying to understand her Faith so that I can have an honest relationship with her but I am getting alot of strange information that I just can’t sort out.

Mostly, I wonder why a devout Russian Orthodox would form a serious dating relationship with a Catholic? Why she talks about seeing spirits all the time?
Why she left the catholic faith. Why, as devout religious person, she has no problem living with my son and claiming to sleep on the couch?(Sorry I’m just not buying this)

Are Russian Orthodox ok with cohabitating if they are planning to marry?
Are they superstitious?
Are they anti-catholic in general?

I just need a little info about her faith because I can tell you she has very definite opinions about my faith.
 
Yes she tells me her Christmas is Jan 7th. She tells me that she cannot always go the mass because she has moved around alot and does not live near a Russian Church.
Orthodox is Orthodox. She should attend any Orthodox church nearby, but that’s between her and her Spiritual Father.
She is a American convert who, at the invitation of a Russian friend she met about 5-10 years ago became a Russian Orthodox. I am already sensing and anti-roman catholic vibe. She told me her paternal grandmother is a catholic fanatic. I asked her why she left her catholic faith and she told me that she has a problem with the priest’s greed (I honestly don’t know what priests finances are, but I don’t think they live in luxury)and that Catholics keep changing things like the wording in the Creed.
Well, the Roman Catholic change in the Creed is a huge stickler for Orthodox, and obviously I don’t know her previous situation with RCism. However, many RC priests aren’t bad off, but it’s reasonable to expect that they shouldn’t be lol. They get their wage, but they often have their housing and maybe a car paid for by the diocese, and they don’t have a wife or children to provide for. Always bugged me when people complained that their priest had an iPhone and fancy appliances. What else does he have to spend money on? lol.
I am trying to understand her Faith so that I can have an honest relationship with her but I am getting alot of strange information that I just can’t sort out.
This is normal between our churches. A lot of Roman Catholics assume Orthodoxy is very similar, and in some ways it is, but in many ways its drastically different. Orthodoxy doesn’t categorize sin as mortal or venial, it doesn’t have Holy Days of Obligation or the Sunday Obligation. Some believe you should go to Confession before every Eucharist, many do not. Contraception is not automatically a sin. Fasting guidelines are not followed strictly by everyone, and that’s ok. Icons are held in much higher respect than even statues in the Roman Church. We think it’s harmful to try and define and nail down just when a Sacrament occurs, how it occurs, to define The Trinity, or a host of other situations. So it can be very confusing and different for Roman Catholics.
Mostly, I wonder why a devout Russian Orthodox would form a serious dating relationship with a Catholic?
She might like him. Many Orthodox I know do not date outside The Faith, it’s too difficult, But I have a Godbrother who is dating a Roman-Catholic-Maybe-Agnostic and going to ask her to marry him, and he’s very devout. It’s hard to find faithful, practicing Christians, and Orthodox aren’t allowed to marry non-Christians. She probably likes your son, and likes that he talks about faith and Christianity at least some. She may be in a slump in her spiritual life herself and finds it comforting to be with someone in the same situation. Orthodox can marry Romans. I just assisted as one such wedding a few months ago. Those weddings have to take place in the Orthodox church though - even your own documents suggest this.
Why she talks about seeing spirits all the time?
No idea. You said though that it’s something she got from her Italian relatives. She might just see them and ignore them. That would be a gray area, since she’s not trying to speak to them.
Why she left the catholic faith
You’d have to ask her.
Why, as devout religious person, she has no problem living with my son and claiming to sleep on the couch?(Sorry I’m just not buying this)
Weeeellll…this could be a generational thing. My wife and I, for example, are both devout Orthodox. For our engagement we went to San Francisco and stayed in the same hotel room (though in different beds). We slept next to each other on many occasions with nobody else around. We were both virgins on our wedding night. I could possibly believe friends of mine if they told me they weren’t sleeping together but they were living together. I’d caution them against it, however. You, also obviously, know your son better than I do, and presumably know her better as well.
Are Russian Orthodox ok with cohabitating if they are planning to marry?
It’d be something they’d have to discuss with their priest. In general I’d say no. A big no. She may, however, be in the small area where the answer could be “yes” for some reason.
Are they superstitious?
From what I’ve heard, in Russia yes. A convert in America, much less likely. This, though, is like asking “are Roman Catholics superstitious?” Well, yeah, you’re gonna find some who are.
Are they anti-catholic in general?
You’d have to define “anti-Catholic.” For example, we don’t believe the pope is the head of The Church, or that he’s infallible, and we believe Roman Catholics have done a lot of bad things to us and the Eastern Catholics (and I know we’ve done the same back). We don’t believe Roman Catholicism is Christ’s Church. None of that I would describe as anti-Catholic, it’s just the way it is. It’s our beliefs. Anti-Catholic to me would mean you don’t like someone just because they’re Roman Catholic. In general to that I would say no. Most could probably care less about Roman Catholicism. It doesn’t come into our lives very often.
 
One reason the Russian Orthodox have historically been anti-Catholic is that Russians have been anti-Europe and anti-French/Italian. It’s been bound up with Russian nationalism. An American convert to Russian Orthodoxy doesn’t have all the same ‘reasons’ to be anti-Catholic, so there isn’t much reason to assume she is anti-Catholic.
 
Thank you for your responses.

Some questions I can try to clarify. By superstitious, I mean do Russian Orthodox generally believe that dead human spirits walk the earth and try to communicate with the living? I thought perhaps it was a Russian cultural thing she is trying to emulate.

By anti-Catholic, I mean do Russian Orthodox truly think Catholics are heretics?

I am very consoled to learn that the sacraments are considered valid by the Roman Church.
And that marriage can be possible between a Catholic and Orthodox.

But what about the children of a mixed marriage. What faith will they be raised in if both have to agree to raise the children in their own?

Please don’t be offended if some of my questions sound ignorant. I hope that I do not sound disrespectful when I ask about being superstitious and anti-Catholic sentiments. I know almost nothing about the Russian Orthodox Faith.

Thank you again for your information , I am very grateful.
 
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