Apostle John bishop of what city?

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Sometimes I read that St. Peter the first pope was the first bishop of Rome.

What city was the Apostle John the bishop of?

Also, what city was the Apostle Philip bishop of?

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The Apostle John is said to have died at Ephesus, on the western coast of modern Turkey, about the year 100.

The Apostle Philip is said to have been crucified upside down at Hierapolis, in Phrygia, in modern Turkey, under Emperor Domitian.

So, my guess is, John was bishop of Ephesus and Philip was bishop of Hierapolis at the time of their deaths.
 
You forgot to mention that Peter was not a bishop of any city or church. He was commanded to feed the sheep of Israel. He was appointed to be an evangelist to the Jews.

1 Peter 1:1-5 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the exiles scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his abundant mercy has begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 2:25 For you were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

1Pe 2:25
ye. Ps 119:176; Isa 53:6; Jer 23:2; Eze 34:6; Mt 9:36; 18:12; Lu 15:4-6
the Shepherd. 1Pe 5:4; Ps 23:1-3; 80:1; Song 1:7-8; Isa 40:11; Eze 34:11-16,23; 37:24; Zec 13:7; Joh 10:11-16; Heb 13:20
Bishop. Heb 3:1; Ac 20:28

I find this interesting, don’t you?:hmmm:
 
I really need some answers here but they have to be from the bible. We are always told the bible is true, but I need to know about pergatory and why we have to go there. Can someone show me in the bible where it says that?

What about praying to saints?

You see I keep getting told we don’t have to do these things, and I don’t find it in the bible, yet the teachings of my church tell me I have to do all these things???
 
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redeemed1:
I really need some answers
If someone has told you that the Bible is all you need for a complete understanding of Christianity, you are being misled. The Bible is true but the Bible contains only part of the truth. If you want the whole truth, the full Gospel, remain with the Catholic Church because only the Catholic Church faithfully maintains all the traditions taught by the Apostles, the oral traditions as well as the written traditions, just as St. Paul said, “So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” (2 Thes 2:15).

For answers to your questions about Purgatory and and the intercession of the saints, I strongly suggest you check out the Catholic apologetics tracts in Library section of the Catholic Answers website. A good introduction is their booklet, “Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth”, catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp
 
Redeemed 1,

I recently heard The Journey Home, Marcus Grodi with Gary Hoge, address these two questions–though most converts address these and similar questions. The interview, along with many more, can be heard in real audio format at the following EWTN link:

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/frmselecrprog.asp?seriesID=-6892289&T1=journey

If you scroll down to the 3rd listing, of July 26, you can listen to the one I heard recently.

Praying to the saints and purgatory are often included in any apologetics writings that you should easily find them-at Catholic Answers as has already been mentioned. Dave Armstrong offers links to several explanations, some with Scripture citations in support of the intercession of saints at:

ic.net/~erasmus/ERASMUS5.HTM

Purgatory is based upon the fact that sin and impurity cannot be in God’s presence. Paul tells us that we will be purified as through fire before beholding God if we persevere in our earthly journey toward heaven. Recall also Uzziah who died merely because he touched the Ark of the Covenant without leave and being unpurified even though his intention was to prevent the Ark from falling to the ground. Dave Armstrong offers links to several explanations, some with Scripture citations in support of Purgatory at:

ic.net/~erasmus/ERASMUS6.HTM

Catholicism stands firmly on Tradition, the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, which converted many to Catholicism before the New Testament was ever written, collected, and discerned by the authority of the Catholic Church, as well as on Holy Scripture. Remember, 2 Thessalonians 2:15, “. . . stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth, or by letter.” Some teachings were so basic to the Church that they were not even written in Scripture–all Christians were taught them and accepted these teachings, but they are NEVER unscriptural.

Catholic Truth has not changed since Christ instituted His Church over 2,000 years ago, and our saints and doctors of the Church have been some of the greatest thinkers of all time. There are reasons for doing as we do if we will just take the time to look for them.

I know that you will be blessed on your search for our Catholic truths and their history because I once asked similar questions and found the Truth of our Faith in Christ, the Church, the Sacraments, the Bible, and especially in the Eucharist. God bless you.

In Christ’ peace and joy,

Robin L.
 
Catholicism stands firmly on Tradition
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Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Titus 1:14 & 14 **This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; **Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
 
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redeemed1:
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Titus 1:14 & 14 **This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; **Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
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Why is it so hard to accept that the Word of God is not only and exclusively found in the Bible. After all the whole of the Bible is based on oral tradition as was written down by men, like Paul, John, Matthew, Luke, and those who went before them. God or Jesus never wrote down a lick of it. If any of you get a chance, watch the movie “The First Five People you Meet in Heaven.” Instead of Heaven, it looked a lot like purgatory to me and helped me to have some insight as to why purgatory is necessary. Certainly not a theological event, but I found it very moving.
 
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redeemed1:
You forgot to mention that Peter was not a bishop of any city or church. He was commanded to feed the sheep of Israel. He was appointed to be an evangelist to the Jews.

1 Peter 1:1-5 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the exiles scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his abundant mercy has begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 2:25 For you were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

1Pe 2:25
ye. Ps 119:176; Isa 53:6; Jer 23:2; Eze 34:6; Mt 9:36; 18:12; Lu 15:4-6
the Shepherd. 1Pe 5:4; Ps 23:1-3; 80:1; Song 1:7-8; Isa 40:11; Eze 34:11-16,23; 37:24; Zec 13:7; Joh 10:11-16; Heb 13:20
Bishop. Heb 3:1; Ac 20:28

I find this interesting, don’t you?:hmmm:
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Are you trying to say that Simon Peter of Galilee was not the first pope & vicar of Christ?:ehh:
 
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redeemed1:
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Titus 1:14 & 14 **This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; **Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
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Jesus was not speaking about Catholics (which is the silly misinterpretation that most “bible-only christians” think) because the church was yet to be established on the day of Pentacost. Jesus was speaking of the traditions taught by several of the religious leaders in the Jewish faith, mere human traditions such as proper was to clean cooking pots & hand & feet washing, traditions that they were considering just as important as the basic teachings of the Torah. This was a major error & Jesus told his followers to avoid these man made traditions.

I must say that if you are like the many Protestants that think that the bible somehow appeared to the disciples after Jesus’s accension (or rapture as you would say) & if you think the bible is a tool used to tear down anyone that disagrees with you rather than build up the body of Chirst, then I feel sorry for you.

There a hundreds of passages in scripture that I could quote & I’m sure that neither you nor any Protestant is willing to accept, & yet you would stand only by your misterpretation of scripture. I find this sad.
 
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redeemed1:
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Titus 1:14 & 14 **This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; **Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
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And there in lies your fault. You seem to consider when Paul said to follow what He teaches, both orally and by letter, to somehow be the “commandments of men”

Why do you consider Paul’s words to be just his own? Do you not consider that Pauls word were Divinely Inspired?

If you do, why don’t you obey a Commandment of God and follow the oral teachings of the Apostles? Because they too are the Commands of God, not men.
 
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redeemed1:
I really need some answers here but they have to be from the bible. We are always told the bible is true, but I need to know about pergatory and why we have to go there. Can someone show me in the bible where it says that?

What about praying to saints?

You see I keep getting told we don’t have to do these things, and I don’t find it in the bible, yet the teachings of my church tell me I have to do all these things???
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Sure, as soon as you tell me where to find the doctrine of the Trinity in the bible, and the doctrine of “Bible-onlyism” in the bible, and the list of books that are supposed to be in the bible.
 
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CatholicAviator:
Sometimes I read that St. Peter the first pope was the first bishop of Rome.

What city was the Apostle John the bishop of?

Also, what city was the Apostle Philip bishop of?

Thanks.
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To be an Apostle, is not to be a bishop. To be a bishop, is to be something far less foundational - though still necessary - than an Apostle.​

 
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redeemed1:
I really need some answers here but they have to be from the bible. We are always told the bible is true, but I need to know about pergatory and why we have to go there. Can someone show me in the bible where it says that?

What about praying to saints?

You see I keep getting told we don’t have to do these things, and I don’t find it in the bible, yet the teachings of my church tell me I have to do all these things???
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Purgatory, is something God’s Love does for us 🙂​

The case for it is cumulative, not based on any one text. It’s a response to several Biblical facts, including:
  • human sinfulness
  • the perfect Holiness of God
  • the entire incompatibility between God’s Holiness and the obscenity which is sin
  • the need of Christ’s perfect Holiness if we are to enter Heaven
  • the paradox that sinners, who are hateful to God, can be made into lovers of God - IOW, the possibility of redemption
  • God’s total rejection of all sinfulness in created beings
  • our creation in God’s likeness
  • the words of St. Paul about “see[ing God] face to face”.
  • His words that “this corruptible [nature?] must put on incorruption” at the Resurrection.
  • IOW: the vast difference between knowing Christ Our Mediator on earth, in fits and starts, by faith and not by sight; and, OTOH, the face-to-face and unbroken Vision of God to which we are called, and for which we are designed. Moses, while on the mountain of God, was told that he could not “see God’s Face and live” - but to know God, and to see Him as He is, is what is being reserved for us in Heaven. God really will be our everlasting inheritance - just as was promised to Israel, but, in a far better way. There can be nothing better than to enjoy God for ever, because there can be no blessing greater than God.
God, of course, is “a refiner’s fire” - and we sin constantly. It’s an addiction. Purgatory is the last stage in the therapy for it. The last, because if we were really sensitive to God, we would be free of all “sin-wardness”, all bias to sin in thought, word, deed, or omission, even on earth. Purgatory cleans away all the muck of this bias that we have accumulated, and not had scoured out of us on earth. It burns away all the last roots of evil in us, and makes us fully able to endure, and to enjoy, the “weight of Glory” that St.Paul speaks of.

This may sound cruel, but in fact, God is intolerant of sin in those He loves, because He loves them. How can we, who are sinners by our own admission, see the All-Holy God as He is, unless we are made fit to do so. It would be easier for a moth to live in the sun, than for a sinner to enter Heaven. Look at Revelation 1.9-19; Rev 20:11 -

“Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them”;
  • and Isaiah 6.1-7:
"In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and his train filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim; each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.

And one called to another and said: “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory.” And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke. And I said: "Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of Hosts!"

Then flew one of the seraphim to me, having in his hand a burning coal which he had taken with tongs from the altar. And he touched my mouth, and said: “Behold, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away, and your sin forgiven.”

God is a God of unspeakable,overwhelming, Holiness - and this is equally a fact about Jesus Christ. Ignore that; and Purgatory makes no sense at all.

As for praying to the Saints: what is the problem: the absence of the words: “Christians can pray to the Saints” from the text of the New Testament ? If one knew what the difficulties are for you, it might be easier to respond to your question 🙂

Hope this helps ##
 
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You made a bold statement. You said that Peter was never a Bishop of any city or Church. Perhaps you are Protestant and reject Tradition and the Early Fathers.

You will have to take that up with the Roman Catholic Church. Where is St Peter’s Cathedral located? Not only was St. Peter crucified upside down in Rome, he was working in Rome about 10 to 14 years. At least three of the Early Fathers wrote that Peter was the head of the Church. Mark was his stenographer.

Protestants love to misinterpret Matt 16:18. They do not want to agree that Jesus Christ passed the earthly Papacy to Peter. Jesus is the head of the Church, but Peter was the first earthly Vicar of Christ.
 
You really should go and read your Bible prayerfully, since no where does Peter or any apostle claim to stand in place of Christ. That is blasphemy. Christ said if you have seen Him you have seen the Father and He also said to Thomas “you have seen me and believe, blessed are they who have not seen me and yet believe”.

You would do well to review the reactions of Paul, Barnabas, Silas and Peter when men tried to worship and pay them homage. It certainly isn’t what your pope and priests accept.
 
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You really should go and read your Bible prayerfully, since no where does Peter or any apostle claim to stand in place of Christ. That is blasphemy. Christ said if you have seen Him you have seen the Father and He also said to Thomas “you have seen me and believe, blessed are they who have not seen me and yet believe”.

You would do well to review the reactions of Paul, Barnabas, Silas and Peter when men tried to worship and pay them homage. It certainly isn’t what your pope and priests accept.
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We don’t worship the Pope!That is called slander!:banghead: I am praying for your conversion.God Bless
 
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