Application to Religious Life

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Hi,

Do applicants to religious life for women have to disclose their past mental history, like being diagnosed with a mental disorder and what was the cause of this diagnosis?

Thank you for any insight.
 
I would guess it would depend on the order but based on what I know the answer is yes, you will most likely need to disclose a truthful medical history. But again check with the orders you are interested in. There are far too many variables to answer this.
 
Absolutely. Everything that is done before entrance is to establish a baseline in the event something “goes South” while you’re with the community. If you were in my community, and began acting a particular way, and I didn’t have that history for you, what would you want me to do? If the mental illness involved psychosis, it’d certainly be helpful to know that. I wouldn’t want to call the constabulary if the psychiatrist is what’s needed.

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Thanks for the comments. Do you know if you have to disclose it? Would they find out if you didn’t? Like do you have to sign a letter of release for your past psychological history? Do they inquire the reason why you were diagnosed or need to read the records on the reason for diagnosis?
 
You have a duty of disclosure to be honest about all of your medical and psychological history. Some communities even have you take a psychological assessment with a psychologist. The short answer is: YES.

And why would you even want to keep something like this hidden from the superior? If you use deceit to gain entrance, you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of deceit, which will damage your relationship with the community. Not a good way to start religious life. Just be truthful and trust God to sort it all out.
 
I agree with you nunsense. The situation is sad because the diagnosis was false but remains on the records and the reason is very personal that people won’t understand and am not willing to share something personal like that but at the same time don’t want to not trust God. I want to do His Will but this seems to be a major block for me so I’m hoping our Lord will understand. I want to serve Him but I don’t think I can bring myself to share such information. I know God understands because He Is God but I don’t want him to say you should of trusted me. I’m sure He is not like that but I think that sometimes. I don’t know if religious life is even my vocation but don’t want to say no if it is because of my past.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
Why go into community keeping secrets? Why join a community that you think will not understand you? This doesn’t sound like a good foundation upon which to build your consecrated life.

Perhaps you should take some additional time to prayerfully reflect on whether or not you are ready to undertake this vocation?
 
If you want to trust God in this matter, then trust those whom He has put into positions of making the decision. Telling the superior does not necessarily mean that the whole community will know the information - in fact, they most likely won’t be told anything about your medical or psychological history as that is not relevant to them. When you tell the superior, you can also explain the circumstances surrounding the diagnosis and why you believe they are incorrect. She might share some of this information with the person responsible for your formation (Novice Mistress, Formator) but the rest of the community will get to know you through your visits and/or live-ins, not through your past. And God’s answer still may not be what you want to hear, but that is where trust comes in.

If you absolutely cannot reveal this information to a superior, then perhaps you need to look elsewhere for places to serve God. There are a myriad of opportunities to do good in this world and to serve God without necessarily being a religious, and where you do not need to explain your past to others. The choice is really yours. But don’t try to base a relationship with a community on a lie (even one of omission). That isn’t fair to the community and would be a very selfish way to start religious life. Tell the superior and let yourself be guided. The superior is responsible for the welfare of the whole community and needs the information to make an informed decision about your application.
 
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Thank you nunsense. Nunsense, do you think that whatever I decide it will be okay with God? I guess I’m just struggling with the trust issue. How do you make a decision based on reason and Faith? Do you force/make yourself to tell a religious community/superior/psychologist about your past even though you don’t want to? I just feel sad I guess that I am not willing to tell others about my past and think I am not trusting God because of it. I hope that is not the case though. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks again.
 
As a person who is discerning, and who will have their sister re-enter religious life tomorrow (she left, but still felt called back to the same community and they were happy to take her), I’ve got a little insight into the matter. My sister had to give medical forms and agree to the release of the information necessary for the doctor and dentist to fill out the forms. Other communities tack on a third exam from a mental health professional that the community partners with who understand their way of life and can evaluate the candidate. I’ve talked to other communities and in my particular case since I’ve had arthritis since I was 10 I always disclose that near the beginning of talking to them. I do this because I know the vast majority of communities can’t take people with disabilities, even with how little mine changes my day to day life.

Some of them do it because people who aren’t at least baseline healthy won’t be able to handle their way of life if there’s diet restrictions, clothing restrictions (like no shoes), limitations just due to the convent/monastery they live in being an older building. Others do it because when you enter a community they are responsible for you and agreeing to that responsibility for life and medical bills are expensive if you have a lot of them. Communities don’t make a lot of money, so medical problems from day 1 could just not be doable for them. Not only that, but a lot of communities I’ve talked to that have tried to let people enter who have disabilities (physical and mental) have had to have the person leave because their condition just seems to get worse; especially mental disabilities due to the amount of silence. They said they don’t know why, but it just seems to do something to people and while they thought the person would be fine it doesn’t work.

I don’t want to be discouraging, because I know when I met it along my discernment (from my parents all the way to the vocation’s director for my diocese) I would feel so frustrated but also sad. However, in this process it’s also something that has to be acknowledged. No community I’ve talked to or even just seen on their webpage has said they will take someone with a past of or currently with a mental health problem. I believe there was a community somewhere in Europe that was founded for people with mental health problems, but I think it was for a specific type and I can’t remember their name.

I strongly recommend you not keep secrets from the community that you are looking at. The community needs to know “what they are getting” when they accept an applicant. As one novice mistress told me, they have a duty to consider applicants and pray on the Lord’s will, but they also have a duty to protect the community that is currently there. The Lord would never call you to a life of living in such a way that you have to keep such secrets. If you’re talking to a community, and the Lord desires you to be there, He will be the one that makes it all work. Not lying or with holding information from people who you will be totally obedient to if you join. Just His grace and you following His will to the best of your ability.
 
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You ask my opinion so I will give it. I don’t think you need to worry about this until you are actually about to make an application to a community. If you have been actively discerning and are on the point of making an application but still can’t tell the superior then, it is possibly an indication that religious life is not for you. But until that point, it really doesn’t need to be an issue. You can live a holy life now and let the future take care of itself without ever telling anyone anything about your past. You ask if God will be okay with whatever you decide - I assume you mean if you decide not to discern a vocation to religious life? No one knows the mind of God, so I certainly can’t answer for Him, but how would He not be pleased with someone who chooses to live a holy life, no matter their state? If only those in religious life were pleasing to God, then marriage would not be the sacrament that it is.

Perhaps you might focus on simply growing in holiness right now and developing your relationship with God? It might relieve you of some stress for awhile. Baby steps.
 
Just concentrate on God right now. Who knows, if He is calling you to Religious Life, He might even make a way for that incorrect diagnosis to be expunged from your records.
 
Thanks again everyone for your responses.
Nunsense, do you think I am not trusting God if I am not willing to tell the superior/psychologist/order my past? That is what I’m struggling with; I hope this is not the case though because I do want to trust God but I don’t want to divulge such information. I don’t know if I should make myself do it. Is trusting God, making myself do something I don’t want to? Sorry if my question is redundant. I just don’t want to go against God; I never do. Thanks again for your help and advice.
 
tvmira – I sent you a personal message.
 
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The others have answered, but I’d just want to say…why would you want to hide anything. You are likely to go through formation which would be a deep soul searching probably deeper than even discernment that lead you there and I’d say (just my opinion) that it would be best for you to disclose everything, obviously not to everyone in the world but to your spiritual advisor/confessor and possibly to your formator. I think probably let the Holy Spirit guide you, submitting to God isnt easy but it is necessary in my opinion. It is quite rewarding if you manage it though (even occasionally) and a bit wow, but as I say just my opinion and I am just a lay person in a Secular Institute so it’s different for us. Other people have answered what you have to do. I’m just suggesting what you may want to do. God bless you
 
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