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aball1035
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Does anybody have an answer for this? Or a good website?
I don’t want to be like “Well, I read it somewhere” when Protestants ask me how I know haha:shrug:
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I don’t want to be like “Well, I read it somewhere” when Protestants ask me how I know haha:shrug:
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NotWorthy
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No, he was the prime minister, who’s role is to serve as king in his absence.
This was a common role in the ancient far east. The position was called the Grand Vizier in some circles. You’ll see the role first pre-figured in Joseph, son of Jacob/Israel in Egypt. He’s given the Pharaoh’s ring as a sign of his authority.
Eliakim’s role was to manage the household of the king while the king was around, but if the king was off on an expedition, whether it was in battle or visiting another country, he would leave someone in authority to deal with things until he returned.
Does this sound in any way similar to the role of our Pope?
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NotWorthy
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I’ll check my notes on this later on today. I think I got it from Jimmy Akin’s site, and I know I’ve got it on my computer. I’ll get it for you if no one else does by this evening.
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NotWorthy
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Oop! Eliakim wasn’t high priest - he was Prime Minister. :doh2:
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aball1035
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Wow totally! The more I read up on Eliakim, the more pops out identifying him with the Papacy!No, he was the prime minister, who’s role is to serve as king in his absence.
This was a common role in the ancient far east. The position was called the Grand Vizier in some circles. You’ll see the role first pre-figured in Joseph, son of Jacob/Israel in Egypt. He’s given the Pharaoh’s ring as a sign of his authority.
Eliakim’s role was to manage the household of the king while the king was around, but if the king was off on an expedition, whether it was in battle or visiting another country, he would leave someone in authority to deal with things until he returned.
Does this sound in any way similar to the role of our Pope?
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Bastoune
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Which is why Protestants, if they even know about him, prefer to IGNORE him when they try their best to deny the Scriptural evidence of Matthew 16 alone… because it blows their case out of the water.
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NotWorthy
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Well, let’s see Isaiah 22 in a running commentary.
20 On that day I will summon my servant Eliakim, son of Hilkiah; 21 I will clothe him with your robe, and gird him with your sash the robe and sash denote authority…***, and give over to him your authority There’s that authority word, spelled out this time…. He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem A “father”, hmm… a “father”… What does “pope” mean in Italian? Oh yeah, I know… “Papa”! , and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place the key of the House of David on his shoulder ***The key is a symbol of honor. Do you ever wonder why people are awarded the key to the city? ***; when he opens, no one shall shut, when he shuts, no one shall open ***Hmmm… Matthew 16 says, What you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. What you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Coincidence? Yeah, right! ***…***OK, let’s jump ahead a couple of verses to something Protestants jump on in Isaiah 22…***On that day, says the LORD of hosts, the peg fixed in a sure spot shall give way, break off and fall, and the weight that hung on it shall be done away with; for the LORD has spoken. **See! The peg will fall!!! The papacy will fall!!! *Except Matthew 16 says the opposite. Upon this Rock I will build My Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it…Yeah, Isaiah 22 -]speaks/-], no, screams out “Papacy”!!!
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Bastoune
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Right. The peg of the OT office would fall. There is no such prophecy in the words of Jesus, whose reign is eternal. GET IT?! 
So the whole point is: Bible verses must be interpreted in a whole context and Matthew 16:18-20 SCREAMS papacy based on all the other verses surrounding it, the Aramaic original language, and even the grammar of the Greek translation.
So the whole point is: Bible verses must be interpreted in a whole context and Matthew 16:18-20 SCREAMS papacy based on all the other verses surrounding it, the Aramaic original language, and even the grammar of the Greek translation.
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Canto
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The peg may fall in the OT but Christ improves the New Covenant so that the papacy will not fall.
Cool posts everyone.
Viva il papa!
Cool posts everyone.
Viva il papa!
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ziapueblo
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There is no other work for rock in Aramaic other than kepha. The Aramaic word for small rock is enva, and like others have said, in John 1:42, Jesus renames Simon to Cephas, which is a transliteration of the word Kepha.
God bless,
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johnnydigit
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“enva” means pebble/small rock? that is a valuable tidbit. do you happen to have any concrete evidence i can use to cite from? i googled “aramaic dictionary” but the results don’t seem to recognize it.
perhaps even if i had an aramaic scholar with a verified diploma in my pocket, people would still question…
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