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Spirithound
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Now that Bishop Gomez, formerly Archbishop of San Antonio is the co-adjutor of LA, is he still properly called “Archbishop”? Does he take his pallium with him?
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roadsend
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I see no reason why he would not be addressed as Archbishop.
He certainly has his work cut out for him in LA.
He needs everyone’s prayers.
He certainly has his work cut out for him in LA.
He needs everyone’s prayers.
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MarkThompson
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He does not take his pallium with him, as it was the symbol of his former office, not a personal decoration. (Although I think I’ve read somewhere that he can be buried with it.) However, it looks like he is still properly called an archbishop, not as the former head of an archiespiscopal see, but because his current role is “Coadjutor Archbishop of Los Angeles.” See this release, or his profile here.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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An archbishop who is move to a diocese that is not an archdiocese still retains the title of archbishop.
The Melkites are an example of that. The current bishop is Archbishop Cyril though the eparchy is not an archeparchy. He was the archbishop of an archeparchy in Lebanon before moving to the United States to take over here.
The Melkites are an example of that. The current bishop is Archbishop Cyril though the eparchy is not an archeparchy. He was the archbishop of an archeparchy in Lebanon before moving to the United States to take over here.
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Joe_Kelley
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Many years back Archbishop Clavel, who was exiled from Panama, was in residence in our parish. Later he served in our diocese as an auxiliary and vicar for the Hispanics. He was always addressed as archbishop, though I don’t think it mattered to him.
He was working outside one day on something in a work shirt and jeans. Some Hispanic ladies were setting up something in the hall and, thinking he was the custodian, promptly started ordering him around to help them. Then someone came from the rectory and called out; “Bishop, there is a phone call for you”. That produced some embarrassed ladies.
I was in the group selected for foot washing when he was the celebrant. After washing each foot he kissed it. A very loving and humble man. Also, quite brilliant and skilled. I was told that he had an important role in negotiating the turn over of the Canal to Panama.
He was working outside one day on something in a work shirt and jeans. Some Hispanic ladies were setting up something in the hall and, thinking he was the custodian, promptly started ordering him around to help them. Then someone came from the rectory and called out; “Bishop, there is a phone call for you”. That produced some embarrassed ladies.
I was in the group selected for foot washing when he was the celebrant. After washing each foot he kissed it. A very loving and humble man. Also, quite brilliant and skilled. I was told that he had an important role in negotiating the turn over of the Canal to Panama.
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Diaconia
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He does not use his old pallium, he requests a new one from the pope after becoming the actual metropolitan.
Also, he would be buried with his current pallium (Los Angeles) not the first one he received. Here’s the distinction – he’s still an archbishop, but he’s no longer the metropolitan of San Antonio and not [yet] the metropolitan of Los Angeles.
Mahony will continue to wear the pallium alone until next February when Gomez instantaneously becomes the metropolitan when Mahony reaches the age of 75.
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MarkThompson
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Is that right? I thought Mahony would still have to formally submit a resignation.
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Diaconia
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Cardinal Mahony will write his resignation letter and send it to the pope before he actually turns 75. As soon as the pope accepts it (which is normally the day he turns 75) Gomez shows the college of consultors and the chancellor the apostolic letter of appointment (which he will already have in hand).
As soon as the chancellor and consultors verify the letter of appointment Gomez takes possession of his archdiocese.
It might be helpful to remember - appointing a coadjutor is VERY rare. The typical reasons are (1) the Church doesn’t want the particular diocese vacant for even a short time and (2) the pope wants to immediately change the leadership in a diocese.
God bless,
As soon as the chancellor and consultors verify the letter of appointment Gomez takes possession of his archdiocese.
It might be helpful to remember - appointing a coadjutor is VERY rare. The typical reasons are (1) the Church doesn’t want the particular diocese vacant for even a short time and (2) the pope wants to immediately change the leadership in a diocese.
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Chatter163
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It is not the norm, but it is far from “VERY rare.” Any number of dioceses in the US alone have had a coadjutor at some point in the past.
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benedictgal
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However, the distinction here is that this was done for an archdiocese. For all practical purposes, Archbishop Gomez is still the Metropolitan for San Antonio until he leaves next month. God willing, he should be receiving his new pallium on June 29, 2011. The new metropolitans get their pallia on the Solemnity of Sts. Peter and Paul. This means that Archbishops Dolan and Carlson should be getting their new pallia on June 29, 2010.
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