Archbishop Annibale Bugnini and Reform of the Liturgy

[ProVobis]

Any bets on when this thread is closed?

 

[KMG]

It’s been a constant refrain in some quarters for decades now to say, “Oh, nobody wants this except a small, tiny, really tiny minority. So we’ll make sure we persecute it, marginalize it, assign it to the most inconvenient times and places, and generally make people feel downright unclean for seeking it out. Then we’ll point out how nobody really wants it.”

 

[Spyridon]

It’s is substantiated as was posted in CAF recently as Quasi Parishes are being created by Bishops, in order to give those who desire the TLM, to go there, and the other parishes won’t have to schedule around them.

I know that, that isn’t the unsubstantiated part.

The unsubstantiated part is that “parishes are not thrilled by it” thereby implying that the traditional Latin Mass is viewed as a nuisance which we would be better off without.

That’s a pretty uncharitable thing to say, and if I wanted to return the uncharitable sentiment, I could say that a certain generation which tends to despise tradition is a nuisance and the world will be better off when they’re gone.

 

[Rob2]

Let’s also start quoting Vatican II on Latin and chant, and then see what we ended up with in most parishes of the world.

Please quote so that we may then discuss the words of the Fathers of the 21st Ecumenical Council of the Church . Many are sadly lacking in their knowledge of this sacred Council .

 

[Spyridon]

And I’m not degrading Traditionalists, but this thread shows how it’s just the opposite.

Claiming that the Novus Ordo is defective is also a problem.

There are pros and cons to both the TLM and the OF.

I laid my cards on the table in the OP - as the TLM and OF usages of the Roman Rite stand right now, I prefer the OF.

 

[Spyridon]

“Oh, nobody wants this except a small, tiny, really tiny minority. So we’ll make sure we persecute it, marginalize it, assign it to the most inconvenient times and places, and generally make people feel downright unclean for seeking it out. Then we’ll point out how nobody really wants it.”

Yes that attitude is definitely an issue.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The parishes are not thrilled by hosting the TLM.

My former parish, the parishioners complained that there was no parking for them when they attend their scheduled parish Mass, because the people attending the TLM, stay for refreshments after their service. They have to, some travel two hours to attend that Mass.

Anyway, don’t believe me, it’s not important.

FYI, the TLM is no longer celebrated at my former parish as the priest who celebrated it, was defrocked and arrested for embezzling parish funds.

The Bishop didn’t have another priest fluent in Latin to replace him.

Jim

 

[KMG]

I get it now. Jim’s parish was annoyed, and the traditional priest was defrocked…therefore we can draw conclusions about how questionable the entire movement is.

 

[Crusader30]

Do you know why trads stay after Mass because we are mocked and rejected by Our fellow Catholics

We are ignored and unloved expect by our fellow trads and the vast majorty of us like to pray after Mass as well

 

[Spyridon]

We are ignored and unloved expect by our fellow trads

I love the traditional movement, which is why I have such a huge issue with the SSPX.

The Church desperately needs the SSPX right now, and instead of the SSPX doing the right thing and coming back to full communion, they remain obstinate in making unrealistic demands and remain outside the Church and affect absolutely 0 change in the Church.

I have a serious grudge against the SSPX because I see how badly the Church needs them, but yet they are too prideful to get in the ship and start patching the holes. Instead they sail next to it in their little dingy and carry on “look how fast she’s taking in water!”

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Well I don’t know about that, but at my former parish, they stayed for fellowship and refreshments in the parish hall. I have no problem with either.

However, the parishioners had a problem getting into their Mass, because of the cars in the parking lot owned by the people attending the TLM.

Also, the parishioners had to schedule the hall around the TLM people.

Anyway, you can feel victimised all you want, but again, check out the title and context of this thread.

Jim

 

[Crusader30]

You should forgive the SSPX and understand that some trads have no choice but to go there for Mass.

Since certain bishops seem bent on keeping the FSSP out of their dioceses

 

[angel12]

Any chance of showing some respect for the stated purpose of this thread? Those of you so inclined can start a separate Bugnini-bashing thread.