Are all Benedictines cloistered?

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I like the Benedictine philosophy of work and pray.

But, I think my calling (if it is to the religious life) is more connected to the lay people. Are all Benedictines cut off from the people?

What are some orders that work with lay people?

Any information on the Benedictines would be great along with any other comments or advice you might have.
 
I like the Benedictine philosophy of work and pray.

But, I think my calling (if it is to the religious life) is more connected to the lay people. Are all Benedictines cut off from the people?

What are some orders that work with lay people?

Any information on the Benedictines would be great along with any other comments or advice you might have.
I know that St. Meinrad Archabbey has a parish or two, but the Benedictine charism is not to work with the laity. The Benedictines are known for accepting the laity for spiritual retreats, though that is as far as their influence goes into the laity.
 
au contraire
lay Benedictine Oblates, who are lay persons associated with a Benedictine Monastery in a group that comes together for spiritual direction, support of the work of the monastery, and guidance in living the Rule of St. Benedict in the world and daily life are one of the largest secular orders in the world, and recently had a congress in Rome (to which 2 of our local oblates were among the 50 US delegates).

No not all Benedictines are cloisered, but most do live in monasteries, even if, as in the case of our 3 sisters who have established here in TX a daughter house of their Minn foundation, the monastery is actually a mobile home or an apartment close to their work in a parish or other setting. Praise be at long last the permanent monastery has been built, several young ladies are in residence discerning a vocation, and the retreat center has just been completed.

Benedictines often work in the “world” running schools, parish work and other jobs in service and direct contact with the laity.

if you cruise the vocations and spirituality forums you will find links to Benedictines and other orders.

here is the website for our new Benedictine monastery of the Good Shepherd, with links to other sites and all things Benedictine.
starrcountybenedictines.org/index.html

most monasteries welcome single people to stay for a weekend or a week to become familiar with their way of life and spirituality.
 
The Benedictine nuns are far from cloistered in this area. There is a retreat center and an old folks home. Their “monastery” is also on the same grounds.

I literally ran into one of the nuns at Dairy Queen a while back! She was coming out, as I was going in and we collided!

So they are not cloistered in this area. They are very active in the community.
 
I was taught by Benedictines nuns from kindergarten through college graduation in Duluth, Minnesota. After suffering strokes, my parents lived on the monastery grounds in their nursing home facility and both died there. The Benedictines I know are active in the broader community. They have been a blessing in my life. To learn more about them, you can go to their website: duluthbenedictines.org/
 
No, not all Benedictines are cloistered. Not by a long shot 🙂

But its a good question and worthy of an answer. There are certainly Benedictines that are cloistered. The one that I plan on joining in 6 months, Christ in the Desert, is certainly cloistered. There is one near Denver that runs a large retreat center. St. John’s in Minnesota has a university, a private school, and some parishes. Mount Angel in Oregon runs a seminary and I think a couple parishes as well. St. Peter’s in Saskatchewan runs a few parishes, a junior college affiliated with the University of Saskatchewan, a print shop, and at one time the abbot was also the bishop of a small diocese.

The best place to start one’s search on benedictines is this site, run by St. John’s in Minnesota:
osb.org
There are lots of other benedictine sites but this one will get you started 🙂
 
Benedictines around here are far from Cloistered…very, very active in the community, offer services to the community, very active in retreats, in fact, you could run across a Benedictine Sister and not even know it, sometimes they don’t even wear a habit.
 
The one that I plan on joining in 6 months, Christ in the Desert, is certainly cloistered. There is one near Denver that runs a large retreat center.
I’ve been to Christ in the Desert!!! It’s AMAZING. This monastery is truly a place of prayer and work. I hope you enjoy your time there, and could I ask you to say a prayer for me in their chapel?? I love that chapel so much. In fact, going there this summer to see it with my friends is what got me thinking about a possible monastic vocation. I know they’re cloistered and that’s what got me thinking about this question!

I live about an hour from the one in Denver (Walburga) although I’ve never been there. I’d have to say I’d choose to go back to the Rio Chama desert with the monks of Christ in the Desert any day.
 
I have a friend who is a Benedictine priest who hasn’t live in the monestary for over years and years, over 30 years. For quite some time he has work as a hospital chaplain. He still reports to his monestary. He says that it would be difficult for him to live that way again after having his independence for so long.
 
I’m really being drawn towards St. Benedict lately and The Rule and lectio divina and monasticism…could this be a calling?
 
I live about an hour from the one in Denver (Walburga) although I’ve never been there. I’d have to say I’d choose to go back to the Rio Chama desert with the monks of Christ in the Desert any day.
I was there from July 23 to August 12 then had to return. Walburgia’s is cloistered too and is a community of women. Somehow I thought there was a benedictine abbey in one of Denver;'s suburbs but maybe i’m wrong. There is another comunity of women near Colorado Springs. There is a trappist community in Snowmass as well. Trappists are a reform of the Cistercians who are in turn a reform of the Benedictines and both follow the Rule of St. Benedict.

Christ in the Desert has a foundation in Chicago as well, called Holy Cross Monastery. Since you’ve been there, you might like my own description of their life, which I called A Day in the Life of Christ in the Desert. There is a Yahoogroup mailing list called Holy_Rule, that is a mailing list of the daily Rule readings with a commentary by the guestmaster of a small benedictine monastery near Petersham, MA.

And I would say having a strong interest in prayer and lectio is a positive sign!
 
Now tell me about the Carmelites. I’m curious about them as well. (I already wear the Brown Scapular, so I’m particularly attached to this Order)
 
Benedictine nuns are cloistered. Benedictine sisters are not. As has been pointed out many Benedictine sisters wear no habits and are a trifle liberal.

When it comes to being a lay associate or an oblate it is important to find a monastery whether cloistered or not that one feels comfortable with.

There is a Cistercian Monastery of nuns near Dekalb with a lay associate group that I would like to get to know better, but it is far enough away from me to make it difficult to visit with any frequency. Since community is important to me, that kind of rules them out.

In the Chicagoland area there are several Benedictine convents with lay oblate programs but the sisters wear no habits which suggests a liberal bent that I am not comfortable with. I am open to advice.

Thanks
 
Also there are Missionary Benedictine Sisters & Monks located in Nebraska. The have priories all over the world, especially in Africa. The congregation was founded in Germany. Like other Benedictine monasteries they have oblates associated with them.

The brothers’ website is: benedictinemissionhouse.com/

And the sister’s website is:
www.norfolkmbs.org
 
I don’t mean for this to sound snotty or anything but what’s the point of a monk sitting in a monastery his whole life praying? How does that help the Church and other Christians? A parish priest’s work is visible, but as for a monk’s…? (Just curious here)
 
I don’t mean for this to sound snotty or anything but what’s the point of a monk sitting in a monastery his whole life praying? How does that help the Church and other Christians? A parish priest’s work is visible, but as for a monk’s…? (Just curious here)
Well, for starters, we know that it was the monks who preserved the culture - to say nothing of copying and preserving the sacred texts - during the “Dark Ages”; this by itself is certainly a work which still bears much fruit. This illustrates that although the heart of the monastic’s life is prayer there is also the dimension of the more visible work he or she does within the confines of the monastery. E.G. they may write books, preserve rare manuscripts, make communion wafers, make liturgical vestments and art, etc., etc…, they do this in aid of the Church as a whole and to support themselves in their way of life.

But to look at your question further, you have to consider the Person of Our Lord Jesus Christ and His ministry before His Death and Resurrection in order to gain a better understanding of the consistent witness of the Church to, first, the eremitical life, and then the monastic life.

Only Christ Jesus, since He is God and Man, was and is full of all the charisms of life that we could possibly imagine. In His graciousness He allows His brothers and sisters to reflect in their living of His way their own individual expressions of particular charisms. In Jesus’ life we see Him healing the sick, teaching, comforting the poor and the dying (the Good Thief), and praying to His Heavenly Father. So, among His brothers and sisters we see these same charisms reflected: some teach, some preach, some bring healing, some comfort the dying, etc., - all for the glory of God and the furtherance of His Kingdom; so, too, with prayer.

This dimension of the Christian life has far more power to it than most can possibly imagine - and, seemingly, begin to appreciate. When we speak of prayer we usually think of intercessory prayer, i.e., praying for ourselves, loved ones, and friends. Or we can speak of the prayers of praise and thanksgiving that reflect our debt to our Almighty God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is a deeper dimension to prayer, though, as we see in Scripture because there we are told that the Spirit Himself makes intercession within us. The Spirit “groans” with the hunger of love for the Body of Christ He is vivifying.

This hunger of love is what drew Christ to prayer, and continues to draw men and women throughout the ages to seek intimacy with God, offering their lives in an oblation of love to Him, so that the Kingdom of Christ will be seeded in the hearts of men and bear a fruitful harvest for the Master of the Harvest.

Some may think of this as a misguided use of one’s life. Why not go out into the world and bring it the knowledge of Christ in a very immediate way? Well, how necessary is the heart to the body? We have feet that can walk to foreign lands, hands that can touch and heal, mouths that can proclaim the Good News, but without a heart full of love all the functions of these parts will be misused. If the heart is not even beating then these parts are useless. So it is with the Body of Christ: some are the feet, some are the mouth, some are the hands - and some, the heart. This is monasticism. It is the heart of the Mystical Body of Christ, His Church. The zeal for Christ and the coming of His Kingdom burns brightly in these monastic “furnaces” of prayer. The power of this prayer made in union with Christ reverberates through the whole Body.

The analogy of the body and the heart pumping blood to the various members enabling them to do their jobs and do them well is a very apt one for the monastic life of the Church. We cannot make the erroneous assumption that because some “work” - namely, the functioning of the heart - is not seen (by the unaided eye), that it therefore is of little or no use to the rest of the body. The same can be said of the function of the brain - wasn’t it the Egyptians who discarded the brain during the mummification of corpses because they didn’t see the use for it? If we look, though, at an EKG or EEG, or an X-ray, or do open-heart surgery, we can see very well the functions of these organs, though we may not understand them completely.

The same, again, is true of the man or woman who enters a monastery or is called to the life of a hermit. To the busy, work-oriented world (including the world of the Christianity) they may appear to be foggy-minded dreamers, at best, or lazy louts, at worst; but what are they to the “X-ray vision” of God? The Church recognizes that the prayer of these monastics and hermits is what gives power to the rest of the Body of Christ to function. Just as our work for the Lord must be formed and informed by prayer, so it is the whole Body; those who pray assist those who work in more visible ways. It is in their intercession before the Throne of God joined as it is to the one intercession of Christ - be it in the dim-list cloister or on some solitary mountain - that sends the power of the Holy Spirit surging through the rest of the Body enabling it to do its work. Prayer IS their work.

It can help us appreciate the Church’s understanding of this to remember that along with St. Francis Xavier, the great Jesuit missionary to the Far East, St. Therese of Lisieux (the most recent Doctor of the Church!), the young Discalced Carmelite nun who died in her twenties, is the co-patron of the missionaries. The Church recognized that her work in her monastery was just as important as the more visible and more adventurous St. Francis. (What, though, is more adventurous than seeking the depths of God’s presence by grace in one’s soul?) St. Therese experienced a longing to be everything for Christ: a missionary, a martyr suffering all the martyrdoms of the Saints, a prophet, a Doctor of the Church (!) - even a priest; but all these desires were caught up in her sudden recognition that “in the heart of my the Church, who is my mother, I WILL BE LOVE!”

A number of years ago a popular Catholic magazine published an article relating interviews with men and women of various monastic Orders reflecting on their lives. Most striking was the interview with a young monk who admitted he was quite humbled by the fact that the only thing the Lord found him capable of doing was praying. This is the witness of a Saint-in-the-making!

Any work done for the Lord must BE His work, what He has called us to do (to be!). We may all want to be great missionaries (we must all at least desire the furtherance of God’s Kingdom), but if the Lord has something else in mind, we must be willing to drop all for Him, even if it means putting away great ambitions of service and hoeing a very little row in a monastery in some backwater town in France.
 
I don’t mean for this to sound snotty or anything but what’s the point of a monk sitting in a monastery his whole life praying? How does that help the Church and other Christians? A parish priest’s work is visible, but as for a monk’s…? (Just curious here)
The monks pray for your salvation, and the salvation of the world. Their entire lives is one continual sacrifice, offered up for the conversion of souls. As the angel said at Fatima; *“Make everything you do a sacrifice, and offer it as an act of reparation for the sins by which God is offended, and as a petition for the conversion of sinners”. *Jesus told Saints Faustina that it was becuase of the sacrifices of religious communities that sustains the world in existence.

“By prayer and mortification, we will make our way to the most uncivilized countries, paving the way for the missionaries. We will bear in mind that a soldier on the front line cannot hold out long without support from the rear forces that do not actually take part in the fighting but provide for all his needs; and that such is the role of prayer, and that therefore each one of us is to be distinguished by an apostolic spirit.”
- Saint Faustina

“[The] Child Jesus said to me,* ‘Look at the sky.’* And when I looked at the sky I saw the stars and the moon shining. Then the child asked me, ‘Do you see this moon and these stars?’ When I said yes, he spoke these words to me,* ‘These stars are the souls of faithful Christians, and the moon is the souls of religious. Do you see how great the difference is between the light of the moon and the light of the stars? Such is the difference in heaven between the soul of a religious and the soul of a faithful Christian’*.”
More here:
religious-vocation.com/index.html

Prayer and penance in religious communities (whether active or contemplative) is the main thrust of their lives, without which all the works and miracles in the world will be to no avail.

Blessings,

-Davide
 
I like the Benedictine philosophy of work and pray.

But, I think my calling (if it is to the religious life) is more connected to the lay people. Are all Benedictines cut off from the people?

What are some orders that work with lay people?

Any information on the Benedictines would be great along with any other comments or advice you might have.
This is an old thread, but they are not cloistered around here. You see them out and around in the world.

saintjohnsabbey.org/

sbm.osb.org/
 
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