Are all religions facing a retention problem?

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While roaming the next I ran into this…


Though it isn’t comprehensive it seems to suggest that the Muslim world is potentially facing similar defection issues as Christianity recent has.*

Does this imply that the “nones” issue is bigger than any one faith, denomination, or region? If religious freedom becomes more realistic do you think they will convert to other faiths?
 
Does this imply that the “nones” issue is bigger than any one faith, denomination, or region?
It doesn’t “imply”. It confirms a fact that we have known for a long time.

As for conversion to other religions, Muslims are a lot like Catholics and Jews. Their religious identity is often tightly bound with their cultural identity. When they cease practicing their faith, the either become non-practicing secular Muslims, or leave religion entirely. A lot of secular Muslims have no religious beliefs, just like many secular Jews or cultural Catholics.

I don’t think we can expect a big influx of Muslims into the Church, whether in Muslim-dominated countries or in the West, if religious freedom become more widespread.
 
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Most people when given the chance, would rather not spend time and money doing unproductive things when more passing alternatives are available.

The people who did religion under duress aren’t doing so.
 
The people who did religion under duress aren’t doing so.
And I would argue that that’s a good thing.
Religion should be about a relationship with God, not a fear-driven following of rules.
 
I wonder if modernism is finally taking a role in the Arab world leading to loss of tradition and belief. I’m not arguing one way or the other as I haven’t studied the issue. It’s just a thought for discussion’s sake.
 
Only to the extent that non practice doesn’t mean death or being ostracized. Note that Iran or Saudi Arabia weren’t on the list. Perhaps gathering such data is difficult there.
 
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Modernism was the very poorly coined term for what was the drift within the world of Scripture scholars. It started primarily within the northern European countries within Protestant scholars, in starting to analyze scripture using historical critical methods; Spinoza had a hand in the matter when he said “The rule for [biblical] interpretation should be nothing but the natural light of reason which is common to all–not any supernatural light nor any external authority”. this relatively quickly degenerated into treating Scripture as just another artifact, removed from Revelation, God, or faith, and lead to an atheistic approach.

The term has been co-opted to mean anything which someone does not like about the Church (thus its use to disparage, for example, Vatican 20 when it had nothing to do with Vatican 2 - or anything else within faith that some people don’t like.

Thus it has nothing to do with Muslims as far as any reports I have seen. what has had an impact is the residual of the French Revolution, which has raised secularism to the “new” religion - again, moving away from scripture believed to be inspired by God, to a much more world-focused, and often morality rejecting approach to life. An enclosed society has a tendency to keep its members “in line”, as both Muslims and Christians have experienced for eons. As members move out of extended families, then out of nuclear families and away from constant contact with same-faith believers, it is easier to stray as no one is there to call one to an accounting.
 
People by nature follow creeds or religion. Evolutionism and the worship of money (it’s the same thing) is the religion people are drawn to in the West. Atomistic individualism was a luxuary born of a political compromise in the USA in the battle for power between secular Freemasons and Protestant Christians in the USA. It can’t and simply doesn’t exist anymore, as people being fired from their jobs for being privately pro-life or pro-marriage has shown.

Every human being has a moral compass. This idea of a listless, senseless “average Joe” was and is an iillusion.
 
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I kind of agree with you, however I have never met anyone who does not have a religion.
 
A religion is a set of beliefs and practices which provide you with an identity and a meaning to life.
 
A religion is a set of beliefs and practices which provide you with an identity and a meaning to life.
By that definition my attempts to be helpful and improve the world around me is a religion. Not sure most would agree.

You’ve also turned most people’s live goals and careers into religions.
 
Read wikipedia definition of religion. You will go through the western theological bias prevalence, the various redefinitions to incorporate those who actually have religion but do not fit into the theological definition, and all you will do it reach what I have expressed.

If you want to make some religions self-centered by all means, do it, is fits the definition. Narcissism can also be a religion.
 
Basically, the lack of supernatural or spiritual is what threw things off in the definition you proved. Without those elements anything is a religion, to the point of absurdity.
 
For most of human history, a person’s religion highly overlapped with their place of birth, ethnicity, or whatever religion their ruler was. The king is pagan so the people are pagan. The king is Orthodox so the people are Orthodox. The king is Muslim so the people are Muslim.

This trend is gradually detoriating in the modern age and people have access to a wider berth of knowledge and experiences. Plenty of people in the past were apathetic to their religion, but these days those people would probably identify as no religion.

I doubt this will mean the world will become super nonreligious like northwestern Europe, because that happened through a combination of the World Wars, extremely stale state churches, and lots of wealth to replace the void. Those conditions don’t exist elsewhere.
 
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