Are pro-abort Catholics heretical?

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Saturday, August 13th Àn American lawyer Marc Balestieri has filed a case for heresy against Senator John Kerry in the Archdiocese of Boston. He maintains that for a Catholic politician to declare he is personally opposed to abortion but supports a woman’s right to choose incurs automatic excommunication.

Balestieri went to Rome in person and submitted two questions to the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith: (1) whether or not the Church’s teaching condemning any direct abortion is a dogma of Divine and Catholic Faith, and if the denial and doubt of the same constitutes heresy: (2) whether or not a denial of the Church’s teaching condemning every right to abortion also constitutes heresy.

He says he received a reply from Father Cole, an expert theologian who studied the matter carefully, responded in the affirmative on both counts." The Archdioces of Boston has not made a public statement.
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Be enough excomunicated politicians in the New England alone to start their own diocese.👋
 
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David:

No - They can all join ECUSA which has already conformed itself to the world and to the times.

This might allow ECUSA not to have to shut doen the churches in New Engand they were planning to shut-down!

But, the Archdiocese of Boston will never go for it. Remember, this was the Archbishop who granted a vocally Pro-Abortion politician (Edward Kennady) and ANNULMENT so he could annul his marraige of 40 years to the woman who bore him some 7 children so he could marry the woman he was committing ADULTERY with.

Boston needs a new Archbishop! The present one is a scandal! And, We all know what Jesus said about that.

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones, Michael
 
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David:

No - They can all join ECUSA which has already conformed itself to the world and to the times.

What’s ECUSA?

Thanks!
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The Episcopal Church of the USA’s position is that “a pregnancy may be terminated … when the pregnancy has resulted from rape or incest”
 
Thx… and yes… IMO pro - abortion ( choice, murder etc ) are heretics.
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The Episcopal Church of the USA’s position is that “a pregnancy may be terminated … when the pregnancy has resulted from rape or incest”
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You can not be pro abortion and Catholic. You are one or the other but not both.
 
The reason I ask the question, “Are pro-abort Catholics heretical?” is partly because I have been confronted and challenged by a pro-abort Catholic in my parish. He was gleeful of the fact I was taking a verbal whipping in our local newspaper for defending the lives of the unborn against a local social worker who was writing letters to the editor promoting abortion.

This particular Catholic not only sided with the opposition but preached how the world needs to be rid of these children destined to lives of misery in poverty. Not satisfied with that he then declared himself pro-euthanasia too. All this shortly before marching up to partake of the Blessed Eucharist!

Afterwards, I spoke with the parish priest because the man in question is a regular lector of the epistle every Sunday. While he promised to have a talk with him, the gentleman in question continues this public ministry. You can appreciate how distracting it is to have to listen to someone read scripture when that someone has professed to you he doesn’t believe it. “I take what I want and leave the rest.” was his reply to the question about respecting God’s fifth commandment.
 
Rosalinda, do you go to my church? 😃

This sounds like a conversation I had with another member of the parish council who told me long stories to support her position and ending with a diatribe about a poor teenage mother giving birth in the hospital and calling for her mom, saying “I want to go home now”. Gee, I was in my twenties when I had my first child and I wanted to go home in the middle of labor too! 😉 How old was Mary when she had Jesus? Guess God should have waited until she was older? :confused: People don’t think. So we should kill a baby to make sure a promiscuous teen shouldn’t have a few hours of pain? What is going on in these people’s heads? Your friend sounds like the exact definition of a cafeteria catholic. “I take what I want and leave the rest” :whacky: These people may call themselves catholics, but they are far from being what we are called to be. Like it or not, they **are ** being heretical. Of course they will reject that notion just like the reject any teaching of the Church that they do not like.
 
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The reason I ask the question, “Are pro-abort Catholics heretical?” is partly because I have been confronted and challenged by a pro-abort Catholic in my parish. He was gleeful of the fact I was taking a verbal whipping in our local newspaper for defending the lives of the unborn against a local social worker who was writing letters to the editor promoting abortion.

This particular Catholic not only sided with the opposition but preached how the world needs to be rid of these children destined to lives of misery in poverty. Not satisfied with that he then declared himself pro-euthanasia too. All this shortly before marching up to partake of the Blessed Eucharist!

Afterwards, I spoke with the parish priest because the man in question is a regular lector of the epistle every Sunday. While he promised to have a talk with him, the gentleman in question continues this public ministry. You can appreciate how distracting it is to have to listen to someone read scripture when that someone has professed to you he doesn’t believe it. “I take what I want and leave the rest.” was his reply to the question about respecting God’s fifth commandment.
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And that is why I have a real problem with lay involvement. You simply don’t know who you’re getting. I don’t need some heretic (yes, heretic…denies the true teachings of the Magisterium) playing the role of devout Catholic and deluding himself into thinking that he is “holier than thou”. His type turn my stomach.
 
Now if only Marc Balestieri would file another case of heresy against Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin… :dancing:
 
Paramedicgirl, I hear you. It is a scandal that Archbishop Gervais has not publicly repudiated him nor denied him communion. I fully expect he will be given a big Catholic funeral Mass just like his predecessor Pierre Trudeau when his time comes. Even so, it is possible Trudeau had a dramatic deathbed conversion which the press has kept secret. Paul Martin has an aunt who is a nun; hopefully one with callouses on her knees from praying for her wayward nephew. We can only hope and pray.

BTW, I love the Byzantine Divine liturgy of St. John Chrysostom because it prays for our nation and leaders. Whatever the case may be, the legacy of damage to the moral fiber of our country, in terms of divorce, abortion and ssm remains. We need bishops who will be leaders; not sycophantic shoe-cleaning boys serving the wrong master.
 
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