Are ralleys helping or harming US imigration equality to all races

[Steven_Merten]

My take on the ralleys going on in America is that they are not trying to protect equal opportunity for all races and nations of the world to imigrate to America and prospareity equally. It seems to me that if rallyists get their way, one race will unequally dominate US imigration causing a discriminatory disballanced opportunity toward all other races and nations to legally, equally imigrate to America.

What is your understanding of the imigration ralleys?

 

[Tonks40]

If I were an outsider from the US, and watching these rallies on TV, I would think it would be the Mexicans vs. the US, with the amount of Mexican flags out there!

The marchers are polarizing the issue. If it was all about immigration reform for all foreigners, I feel that you would see the Vietnamese, the Arabs, the Filipinos - all significant other foreigners who have come to this country, I’m sure some illegally - in these marches. Fact is, you don’t. Because they don’t come here illegally for the most part. If they can’t, they get in line and wait their turn - like everyone else should.

Fact is, it’s the ones south of the border that are crossing illegally in great numbers on a daily basis. So, in my opinion, it’s not about immigration reform - it’s about border-control reform, aimed at a certain population.

PS - and please don’t tell me that I’m being a racist of any sort when it comes to the immigration issue. My parents came over from the Philippines - legally.

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Steven Merten:

My take on the ralleys going on in America is that they are not trying to protect equal opportunity for all races and nations of the world to imigrate to America and prospareity equally. It seems to me that if rallyists get their way, one race will unequally dominate US imigration causing a discriminatory disballanced opportunity toward all other races and nations to legally, equally imigrate to America.

What is your understanding of the imigration ralleys?

Steven Merten:

You may get a real furball here, so I would recommend that you keep a short leash on the discussion. This is also something that probably would have been better put in the “CURRENT EVENTS” Section.

That being said, I didn’t see anything but ingratitude and ungraciousness in those who went around holding Mexican flags claiming that this waqs rightfully their land and how dare we suggest that they we here illegally.

I’ll just say they weren’t helpful, and ask if they gave any thought to the people back in Mexicao, El Salvador and elsewhere who’ve been going through the onerous INS procedures and playing by the rules while they waited. Did any of them think if what they were demanding was fair to these people?

I bet you that not even the Archbishop of Los Angeles thought about that before he spoke out. I just wonder what he would have said if he would have realized how manifestly unfair and unjust what many of the Illegal aliens and their supporters here in the States are demanding is towards those who have filled out the forms and waited for 3 and 4 years in Mexico and Central and South America?

I just wonder if any of those demanding “Instant” citizenship and/or equal treatment for those wo got here illegally have thought about that?

In Christ, Michael

 

[Steven_Merten]

Traditional Ang:

Steven Merten:

This is also something that probably would have been better put in the “CURRENT EVENTS” Section.

Michael

Hello Michael,

I feel that justice and equality toward all races is a moral issue.

 

[thistle]

I’m not an American but I don’t fully understand the protests. Haven’t those people who are protesting committed a crime by illegally entering the USA in the first place? Why do they think they should be granted citizenship? They are not political refugees who would have been persecuted in their home country. They are illegal economic migrants.
Because they are illegal they basically have no choice but to work for low wages. Hasn’t that had a negative impact on the legitamate working population by keeping their wages down?
There seems to be an argument that they are needed to do jobs Americans won’t do. I don’t know if that’s correct or not. If I had a family I would do any job to support them, but anyway such jobs could be done by allowing in legal migrants to do these jobs.

 

[KathleenElsie]

IMHO it harms ALL those that imigrate to this country. It makes me think about having a party and all the guests are angry at you because you expected them to not trash your home.

My grandparents came here from Germany & Switzerland. The followed the rules. Became citizens. Learned the English. My grandmother was not let off the boat till she and grandpa were married. It was easy for them.

I welcome new people to our wonderful country. But, it makes me angry when they are so disrespectful and expect others to pay their way.

 

[coyote]

I keep on hearing the battle cry for “Immigration Rights”.

Um…no one has a RIGHT to immigrate to the US. The people of the United States have NO obligation to willingly accept all comers.

There was a man on the news tonight who has been in the US illegally for 16 years. He owns a home and a business. Why are illegal aliens allowed to buy real estate in the US? How does he do his business taxes without a SS#?

Then I keep hearing the theat that illegal immigrants are a large voting group. Since when are illegals allowed to vote?

 

[Tonks40]

Steven Merten:

I feel that justice and equality toward all races is a moral issue.

Then I restate what I posted earlier - these rallies are polarizing.

These rallies are not about liberty, justice and equality for all. They’re taking themselves out the general population of immigrants (large tho they may be) and skewing the the issue by singling themselves out and saying they are being the persecuted ones. I’d like to see them to say that to a Cuban immigrant fleeing Fidel’s Communism, or to a Jewish immigrant who had to flee Hitler’s regime.

My additional :twocents: anyhoo…

 

[Steven_Merten]

Steven Merten:

Hello Michael,

I feel that justice and equality toward all races is a moral issue.

Tonks40:

Then I restate what I posted earlier - these rallies are polarizing.

These rallies are not about liberty, justice and equality for all. They’re taking themselves out the general population of immigrants (large tho they may be) and skewing the the issue by singling themselves out and saying they are being the persecuted ones. I’d like to see them to say that to a Cuban immigrant fleeing Fidel’s Communism, or to a Jewish immigrant who had to flee Hitler’s regime.

My additional :twocents: anyhoo…

Hello Tonks,

Possibly you missunderstood me. I agree with you.

I think that people sometimes think that only white people can discriminate through racial domination. Other races can be guilty of unjustly domination and pushing their race above all other races in the world too.

Mexicans forcing their way into America illegally are stealling places that America feels other races from other nations are legally entitled to.

The protests seem to me a racial group of people from one race demanding that their race be put above all other races in the US when it comes to US imigration. The ralleys are demanding that America throw out imigration equality and justice toward all races equally and put Mexican imigration domination into US imigration laws.

I think I am with you when I say that those ralleying stand opposed to everthing that America has fought hard to establish in regards to equality amoung races. America should fight back to protect that US imigration remains a just and equal opportunity for all the races of the world. US imigration should not be abused simply because of a weak boarder system.

Why are not other races in America rallying in protest of Mexican racial domination of US imigration?

What do you think?

 

[Tonks40]

Hello Steven -

I’m definately not disagreeing with you on this issue.
Steven Merten:

Why are not other races in America rallying in protest of Mexican racial domination of US imigration?

What do you think?

You know, that’s an interesting question. On the surface, because the majority of illegal immigrants are of Hispanic origin, there’s safety in numbers.

Non-Mexican immigrants I know are grumbling about these rallies in private. Maybe they don’t feel the need to speak out right now…which is kinda a shame.

Wouldn’t it be interesting if rallies and marches were organized to support immigration reform that is equal and fair…

 

[davy39]

coyote:

I keep on hearing the battle cry for “Immigration Rights”.

Um…no one has a RIGHT to immigrate to the US. The people of the United States have NO obligation to willingly accept all comers.

There was a man on the news tonight who has been in the US illegally for 16 years. He owns a home and a business. Why are illegal aliens allowed to buy real estate in the US? How does he do his business taxes without a SS#?

Then I keep hearing the theat that illegal immigrants are a large voting group. Since when are illegals allowed to vote?

I heard on the radio last nite that illegals would be allowed to vote in New York municipal elections, which to me would be a stepping stone to vote in all elections.

 

[Steven_Merten]

davy39:

I heard on the radio last nite that illegals would be allowed to vote in New York municipal elections, which to me would be a stepping stone to vote in all elections.

Hello Davy,

As I see it there is only one thing we can do. We must immediately ship in 70 million poor illegal immigrant white people and this will offset the eleven million illegal immigrant Latino vote. Possibly we can even quickly grant the 70 million poor illegal immigrant white people amnesty and citizenship before the Latinos know what hit them.

The Latinos have made it so clear to us as to how the US system should work. Why didn’t the white people think of this? White people already have a good start at a majority voting population to begin with and with which to push preferential immigration for their race ahead of all other races. I am sure that whites can beat the Latino vote!

I am being sarcastic. I believe in US immigration equal opportunity to all races. I believe that it is immoral for a group like the Latinos to use their voting abilities, citizen or illegal immigrant voting abilities, to promote discriminatory special preference to one particular race in US immigration laws. I believe that the US should use what ever force necessary to insure that all races and people from all nations in the world have equal opportunity to immigrate to our great nation. A nation which opposes racial discrimination, in any form, with all Her strength.

 

[prv]

If I were an outsider from the US, and watching these rallies on TV, I would think it would be the Mexicans vs. the US, with the amount of Mexican flags out there!

The marchers are polarizing the issue. If it was all about immigration reform for all foreigners, I feel that you would see the Vietnamese, the Arabs, the Filipinos - all significant other foreigners who have come to this country, I’m sure some illegally - in these marches. Fact is, you don’t. Because they don’t come here illegally for the most part. If they can’t, they get in line and wait their turn - like everyone else should.

Fact is, it’s the ones south of the border that are crossing illegally in great numbers on a daily basis. So, in my opinion, it’s not about immigration reform - it’s about border-control reform, aimed at a certain population.

PS - and please don’t tell me that I’m being a racist of any sort when it comes to the immigration issue. My parents came over from the Philippines - legally.

Perhaps they should wave American flags at demonstrations if they want attention. They can wave Mexican flags, Fillipino, British, others, at their own homes. BTW, my parents also came to the United States from the Philippines, legally.

Also, to those, who I heard in March-April ransacked a train and starting shouting “Viva le revolucion” or something to that affect, that does not exactly make me want to support your cause. If you want to demonstrate, be peaceful, and civilized.