Are the Ten Commandments part of Mosaic law?

[moondawg]

Are the 10 Commandments part of Mosaic law like the dietary and other laws in Leviticus? If so, were they not also abrogated by the arrival of Jesus?

 

[Faxero]

Are the 10 Commandments part of Mosaic law like the dietary and other laws in Leviticus? If so, were they not also abrogated by the arrival of Jesus?

:nope:

The Ten Commandments are timeless. They represent essential human freedoms which will *never *become outdated.

If God were to override the Ten Commandments, which are set in place to help us discern right and wrong, then we would be allowed to worship non-existent entities. Murdering and stealing from other human beings would be morally acceptable, and our God would be strange indeed.

 

[prometheus1]

:nope:

If God were to override the Ten Commandments, which are set in place to help us discern right and wrong, then we would be allowed to worship non-existent entities. Murdering and stealing from other human beings would be morally acceptable, and our God would be strange indeed.

Without trying to be disrespectful to your faith, as I try never to do that. I had to smile at the naivety of your post.
Do you really use the ten Commandments as a moral guide? Do you actually believe that without them the world would dissolve into a Darwinian hell? Murder, theft, rape…these are all morally reprehensible, whether you believe in a god or not. I do not take ANY of my morals from the Commandments.
And as for ‘allowed to worship non-existent entities’’, that is a little disrespectful to followers of other religions…and do you know how it sounds to me, as an atheist?

 

[Digitonomy]

If God were to override the Ten Commandments, which are set in place to help us discern right and wrong, then we would be allowed to worship non-existent entities. Murdering and stealing from other human beings would be morally acceptable, and our God would be strange indeed.

Nonsense. In Luke 10:27 Jesus said:

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.

If we discard the formal Old Testamunt Decalogue we are still left with these commandments reiterated by Jesus. Of course, one could go farther and then argue that the two great commandments are from the Old Testament and should be discarded as well, but Jesus did seem to think these two were important.

However, as a practical matter the Ten Commandments stick closer to the two great commandments than some of the other commandments in the law. It’s a little easier to see how you could strip away commandments on the details of fabric composition as not a natural extension of what Christ said, as compared to say the prohibition on adultery. Presumably this is the reason that the Decalogue has traditionally been retained in Church teaching.

 

[fhansen]

“The Law” implies the need for the recognition, by man, of objective morality, with a law-giver possessing higher authority than ourselves a necessary component of this objectivity. The alternative is that morality is relative, with ourselves in control of it, with a wide variety of opinions possible-and often resulting. The very reason that the Law was given was that people were often not acting in a way consistent with it. In any case this is the Catholic Church’s position:

**1961 God, our Creator and Redeemer, chose Israel for himself to be his people and revealed his Law to them, thus preparing for the coming of Christ. The Law of Moses expresses many truths naturally accessible to reason. These are stated and authenticated within the covenant of salvation.

1962 The Old Law is the first stage of revealed Law. Its moral prescriptions are summed up in the Ten Commandments. The precepts of the Decalogue lay the foundations for the vocation of man fashioned in the image of God; they prohibit what is contrary to the love of God and neighbor and prescribe what is essential to it. The Decalogue is a light offered to the conscience of every man to make God’s call and ways known to him and to protect him against evil:
God wrote on the tables of the Law what men did not read in their hearts.13

2072 Since they express man’s fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations. They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. The Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: “The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments.”**

 

[moondawg]

“The Law” implies the need for the recognition, by man, of objective morality, with a law-giver possessing higher authority than ourselves a necessary component of this objectivity. The alternative is that morality is relative, with ourselves in control of it, with a wide variety of opinions possible-and often resulting. The very reason that the Law was given was that people were often not acting in a way consistent with it. In any case this is the Catholic Church’s position:

**1961 God, our Creator and Redeemer, chose Israel for himself to be his people and revealed his Law to them, thus preparing for the coming of Christ. The Law of Moses expresses many truths naturally accessible to reason. These are stated and authenticated within the covenant of salvation.

1962 The Old Law is the first stage of revealed Law. Its moral prescriptions are summed up in the Ten Commandments. The precepts of the Decalogue lay the foundations for the vocation of man fashioned in the image of God; they prohibit what is contrary to the love of God and neighbor and prescribe what is essential to it. The Decalogue is a light offered to the conscience of every man to make God’s call and ways known to him and to protect him against evil:
God wrote on the tables of the Law what men did not read in their hearts.13

2072 Since they express man’s fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations. They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. The Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: “The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments.”**

That doesn’t answer my question. OK, the Ten Commandments should be followed but not the dietary laws etc? What is the distinction?

 

[Faxero]

#post 3 Without trying to be disrespectful to your faith, as I try never to do that. I had to smile at the naivety of your post.
Do you really use the ten Commandments as a moral guide? Do you actually believe that without them the world would dissolve into a Darwinian hell? Murder, theft, rape…these are all morally reprehensible, whether you believe in a god or not. I do not take ANY of my morals from the Commandments.

Well, lets look at post #2 again.

This is the key statement:

The Ten Commandments are timeless. They represent essential human freedoms which will *never *become outdated.

As humans, we have basic rights.

The right to life.
The right to choose. (free-will)
etc.

There are also sayings such as “innocent until proven guilty.”

The god-given freedoms which are shielded by the Ten Commandments have been put into effect as soon as Adam and Eve were created.

The ten commandments themselves were not formally introduced until a certain point in history. Even before they were, we still followed the concepts behind them.

The formal compilation of the ten commandments were to confirm what we already knew. Since we’re tainted with sin, then God must take additional measures to educate us. Our pride may override the voice of conscience, the law of God which resides in our “hearts”, hence why God accommodates us.

It would be foolish for God to abolish the Ten Commandments because he would then be removing our freedom.

It would be impossible for God to abolish the Ten Commandments because he would then be malevolent. Since he is naturally benevolent, then it is impossible for God to perform malevolent deeds, or to think in a malevolent way.

And as for ‘allowed to worship non-existent entities’’, that is a little disrespectful to followers of other religions…and do you know how it sounds to me, as an atheist?

Well, I don’t know how Atheists think, since I’m not one myself. Trigger point noted.

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Post #4 Nonsense…

Umm. I’m not sure if you agree or disagree with me, so I’ll restate my thoughts to clear up any possible misunderstandings.

Christ did not abolish The Ten Commandments because they guard god-given freedoms which are applicable to all human beings, not just Jews, hence why we gentiles are under the Ten Commandments as well.

I wasn’t answering both of Moondawg’s questions. My answer was directed toward this one:

If so, were they not also abrogated by the arrival of Jesus?

I should have removed the first question when quoting Moondwag. My mistake.