Are there any mysteries in the koran?

[dronald]

. No, that’s never been up for debate, because Tawheed has been the central teaching of Islam from the very beginning. Surah 112 clears all this up; it’s the perfect description of Tawheed. It says “There is nothing like unto Him”; in other words, nothing in creation is similar to Him (and hands are obviously a created thing).

I’ll take your word for it and just assume this guy’s interpretation is wrong.

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Allah did not fake Jesus’ death-- he saved Jesus [peace be upon him]. The idea that someone else was put on the cross in his place is a mere interpretation (one of several possible interpretations of surah 4:157). As for John [peace be upon him] baptizing people, where’s the mystery in that? he baptized people. So what?

Why did John baptize people and did Jesus in turn command those to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Did the Spirit descend like a dove and God proclaim, “this is my son with whom I am well pleased”? I assume the Muslim reply is a solid, “No.”

What I mean by the crucifixion is that all history claims that Jesus was crucified; everyone was fooled by Allah’s “saving.” If Jesus was not crucified no one knew about it, and even the Qur’an states “Allah made it appear” in such a way. Making something appear one way when something else happened, thereby confusing the Apostles, historians (Josephs, Tacitus) and creating the largest Religion in existence was deceitful.

The question as to why is, “Allah knows best” thus becoming a mystery, and entirely relevant to this discussion.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

I don’t know if I’d agree that Jesus’ apostles were fooled. The Bible’s documentation of the resurrection is highly questionable inasmuch as it didn’t appear in Mark’s Gospel and the other three accounts [Luke, Matthew and John] don’t match up.

Yes, muslims believe that God is totally dissimilar to His Creation (the Heavens and the Earth). So, while there are Qur’anic passages that say something to the effect of “All will perish, but Allah’s Face” or “Allah’s Hand was over their hands”, those are just metaphorical statements. Like I said, surah 112 of the Qur’an is the perfect example of what muslims believe about Allah: “Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten and there is none like unto Him”

Another thing that can be asked is “If Allah is merciful and some people are merciful, isn’t Allah similar to merciful people?” and to that I would say no. True, you can find mercy in people, but their mercy is unlike God’s. Our mercy is limited by our relatively weak capacity to show mercy, whereas God is Infinite. Unlike us, He’s not bound by past memories, weakness, bias, etc.

Highly questionable? Your going to doubt the apostolic declaration that Christ rose from the dead despite, Paul, Peter, Luke and Mathew and John telling us of it because Mark’s account omits it? Mark’s account doesn’t say the ressurection didn’t happen, rather instead of helping the muslim Mark tells us Christ actually died on the cross and the woman met an angel who tells them Christ has risen from the dead.

“But he said to them, No need to be dismayed; you have come to look for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified; he has risen again, he is not here. Here is the place where they laid him. 7 Go and tell Peter and the rest of his disciples that he is going before you into Galilee.[3] There you shall have sight of him, as he promised you”

Are we to imagine that because Mark lacks the longer endings found in the other gospels therefore Christ did not rise from teh dead according to mark? A more plausible idea is to suggest that Mark did not finish his manuscript.

So what does it mean to say God is one? Your God is one what? One simple, undivided essence like the Christians say?

 

[NextElement]

I’ve looked into Islam, and it all just seems sketchy to me. It seems to me that they tend to ignore bible verses that clearly state Jesus was the Son, and as the writers were flawed. But when there is a bible verse that they stretch to support the coming of another prophet, they use it to claim it is foretelling Muhammad!

First, how could these disciples who spent years at Jesus’ side somehow misinterpret that he was just a prophet and not a God? And what do they have to gain from trying to sell that Jesus was God if he wasn’t, going as far to die for their beliefs? It leads me to believe that they must have really experienced something that was proof to them that he was God.

 

[Ontheway]

There are lots of mysteries in the Koran. The Koran itself is a mystery.
In the book, the holy city of Mecca is sometimes referred to as Bakkah, the latter meaning “a crowded place”
Both names seem to be a reference to the same place, but this is not certain or supported by anything other than Islamic tradition. The holy place at is described in the Koran bears no physical resemblance to the actual city of Mecca.

The Koran itself, proclaimed to be the word of God, existed in various versions which were gradually eliminated to leave only one. The problem with “the only one” is that it does not exist.
Tradition has it that four copies of the true Koran were made around 80 years after Mohamed’s death and these were sent to four capitals. None of these copies exist to date. What we have now are much later copies of copies.

A great mystery surrounds the holy book and the holy place, but some textual analysis of extant copies of the Koran will shed some light on this.

 

[famdigy]

Are there any mysteries in the koran? or in the Hadieths? i really cant see any,if there is could some body point them out to me please…

Here is one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayat_an-Nur

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.
The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp;
the Lamp enclosed in Glass;
the glass as it were a brilliant star;
Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west;
whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it;
Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light;
Allah doth set forth Parables for men;
and Allah doth know all things.

Another translation

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.
The similitude of His light is as a niche wherein is a lamp.
The lamp is in a glass.
The glass is as it were a shining star.
(This lamp is) kindled from a blessed tree,
an olive, neither of the East nor of the West,
whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself)
though no fire touched it.
Light upon light.
Allah guideth unto His light whom He will.
And Allah speaketh to mankind in allegories,
for Allah is Knower of all things.

 

[doormouse73]

Here is one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayat_an-Nur

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.
The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp;
the Lamp enclosed in Glass;
the glass as it were a brilliant star;
Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west;
whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it;
Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light;
Allah doth set forth Parables for men;
and Allah doth know all things.

Another translation

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.
The similitude of His light is as a niche wherein is a lamp.
The lamp is in a glass.
The glass is as it were a shining star.
(This lamp is) kindled from a blessed tree,
an olive, neither of the East nor of the West,
whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself)
though no fire touched it.
Light upon light.
Allah guideth unto His light whom He will.
And Allah speaketh to mankind in allegories,
for Allah is Knower of all things.

i stopped as soon as i read this at the very top…

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[drac16]

I’ll take your word for it and just assume this guy’s interpretation is wrong.

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The sarcasm in unnecessary. The sheikh just reiterated what I said-- that the “hands” of Allah are not meant to be taken in the sense of human hands (otherwise that would be likening Him to Creation). Nowhere in the article does she sheikh say that Allah *literally *has hands.

Why did John baptize people and did Jesus in turn command those to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Did the Spirit descend like a dove and God proclaim, “this is my son with whom I am well pleased”? I assume the Muslim reply is a solid, “No.”

John [peace be upon him] baptized people because that was part of his ministry work. Different prophets had different duties, depending on their respective contexts. Your creating a fallacy inasmuch as you’re assuming the answer, then trying to explain it. Remember, we’re in a thread about the Qur’an (and Islam, by implication). You would first have to prove, from the Qur’an or ahadith, that Jesus [peace be upon him] told people to baptize others in the same of the Trinity and you’d have to prove, again, from Islamic sources, that the incident with the dove occurred in order for your questions to be relevant to Islam.

Again, there is no mystery to the Qur’an regarding John the Baptist [peace be upon him]. He baptized people, but that does not necessitate that he did it in the name of a Trinity.

What I mean by the crucifixion is that all history claims that Jesus was crucified; everyone was fooled by Allah’s “saving.” If Jesus was not crucified no one knew about it, and even the Qur’an states “Allah made it appear” in such a way. Making something appear one way when something else happened, thereby confusing the Apostles, historians (Josephs, Tacitus) and creating the largest Religion in existence was deceitful.

The question as to why is, “Allah knows best” thus becoming a mystery, and entirely relevant to this discussion.

Everyone was fooled by Allah having saved Jesus? you don’t know that. Like I said before, your interpretation of surah 4:157 is one of several possible interpretations; the text does not necessitate the belief that someone else was put on the cross in Jesus’ place. For example, If there’s a thief living across the street from me, I can say “It appeared to me that the thief had been caught” based on the fact that I saw the cop car, so even though I did not see the thief being caught, it appeared so.

Indeed, it appeared to the jews that Jesus [peace be upon him] was crucified, but, according to the Qur’an, he was not. There are muslims who believe that someone like Judas was put on the cross in Jesus’ place, but the text does not necessitate the belief that Allah put someone else there, let alone decieved people, which is nonsensical.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

What part about the quran saying he made it appear to the jews that they had crucified Jesus is not deception? Then we have the statement which follows; “allah is the best of schemers.”

So far as baptism is concerned, all early Christian sources we have indicate that this was a practice done. It was done in the name of the father and the son and the Holy spirit, or in the name of Jesus (that certaintly doesn’t help the muslim case). It should not be irrelevent to islam, these sources are not something the muslim can easily dismiss.

 

[dronald]

The sarcasm in unnecessary. The sheikh just reiterated what I said-- that the “hands” of Allah are not meant to be taken in the sense of human hands (otherwise that would be likening Him to Creation). Nowhere in the article does she sheikh say that Allah *literally *has hands.

I assure you I’m not being sarcastic, I’m rather just taking your word for it. I’m not going to argue your interpretation vs his because it would be hypocritical of me. Rather I’ll just assume you’re right in your interpretation because it’s not a big deal. He was obviously adamant that the feet were literal feet… Even if they’re divine in some way. Not important, just another mystery with different interpretations.

John [peace be upon him] baptized people because that was part of his ministry work. Different prophets had different duties, depending on their respective contexts. Your creating a fallacy inasmuch as you’re assuming the answer, then trying to explain it. Remember, we’re in a thread about the Qur’an (and Islam, by implication). You would first have to prove, from the Qur’an or ahadith, that Jesus [peace be upon him] told people to baptize others in the same of the Trinity and you’d have to prove, again, from Islamic sources, that the incident with the dove occurred in order for your questions to be relevant to Islam.

Again, there is no mystery to the Qur’an regarding John the Baptist [peace be upon him]. He baptized people, but that does not necessitate that he did it in the name of a Trinity.

The only defense you have given here is that John Baptized “because it was part of his ministry.” What ministry, why? That’s why I say it’s a mystery, there are no answers as to why John Baptized and what he proclaimed while Baptizing. You say I cannot use the Bible (and I suppose in turn history) to prove why he Baptized so then use the Qur’an and explain* why *he Baptized. Then it will no longer be a mystery to me.

Everyone was fooled by Allah having saved Jesus? you don’t know that. Like I said before, your interpretation of surah 4:157 is one of several possible interpretations; the text does not necessitate the belief that someone else was put on the cross in Jesus’ place. For example, If there’s a thief living across the street from me, I can say “It appeared to me that the thief had been caught” based on the fact that I saw the cop car, so even though I did not see the thief being caught, it appeared so.

Indeed, it appeared to the jews that Jesus [peace be upon him] was crucified, but, according to the Qur’an, he was not. There are muslims who believe that someone like Judas was put on the cross in Jesus’ place, but the text does not necessitate the belief that Allah put someone else there, let alone decieved people, which is nonsensical.

Why do you assume I’m using the “Allah replaced him” interpretation? I have said no such thing, rather I’m saying that Allah making it “appear” as if Jesus was crucified was deceitful. You disagree because Allah did it, I disagree with you because I know the meaning of deceit.

The Jews were fooled, historians were fooled, the Apostles never proclaimed what you’re proclaiming. We have historical proof that Jesus was crucified and the only reason that you can reject it is because the Qur’an says otherwise.