Are there any protestant denominations that condemns all forms of contraception?

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:confused: Uhhh sorry…what now? Yes it does. The Church isn’t against all forms of regulating birth, that’s true, but that’s not the same thing as contraception.

Contraception is:

the deliberate use of artificial methods or other techniques to prevent pregnancy as a consequence of sexual intercourse”

That’s from the New Oxford American Dictionary, not a Catholic book. So yes in fact, the Church is opposed to all types of contraception, and always has been.
“Regulating birth” and “contraception” is a distinction without a difference.

NFP is one of the most effective methods of " a technique for preventing pregnancy as a consequence of sexual intercourse".

If I use NFP to have lots of sex without having to worry about a herd of little ankle biters running around my house, or I use a condom to have lots of sex without having to worry about a herd of little ankle biters, why is that a genuine difference with one being acceptable and one not acceptable? The intention is the same.

I respect folks that are honestly against all contraception, without loopholes and escape hatches. Most of the folks I know that are against contraception are evangelical Protestant Christians.
 
I don’t know any Protestant denomination that officially condemned all contraception, even before 1930 as is often claimed. And the RC doesn’t even condemn all contraception so I don’t know why it matters.

Sure I grant most theologians of all denominations disapproved.

But I know of no official doctrinal statements binding on all believers.
The Catholic Church only approves of Natural Family Planning. abstinence. No others. Try reading Humanae Vitae. That is binding to all Catholics, God Bless, Memaw
 
I don’t want this to get off topic, but I think this needs a quick response. If you want to debate it, start another topic and I’m sure it could be interesting.

From that article
The pope’s statement on condoms was extremely limited: he did not approve their use or suggest that the Roman Catholic Church was beginning to back away from its prohibition of birth control.
Obviously that’s not all that was stated, but it is not a Catholic teaching as it clearly says in that article and the Pope is not infallible every time he speaks. Start a new topic if you want to go into more detail, and I’m sure others will join in. Peace
 
I don’t want this to get off topic, but I think this needs a quick response. If you want to debate it, start another topic and I’m sure it could be interesting.

From that article

Obviously that’s not all that was stated, but it is not a Catholic teaching as it clearly says in that article and the Pope is not infallible every time he speaks. Start a new topic if you want to go into more detail, and I’m sure others will join in. Peace
I’ve heard it all clarified and I’m not insinuating that any church teaching has changed. But it is relevant to the discussion. Even under the ‘infallible’ teaching of Humanae Vitae, there appear to be instances, in some Roman Catholic minds, where non-abortive contraception can lead to a more-moral society, however rare those instances may be. Personally, I think that’s a dangerous slippery slope, but at least some Roman Catholics think otherwise.
 
The Catholic Church only approves of Natural Family Planning. abstinence. No others. Try reading Humanae Vitae. That is binding to all Catholics, God Bless, Memaw
If we are defining contraception as:

*“the deliberate use of artificial methods or other techniques to prevent pregnancy as a consequence of sexual intercourse” *

Then NFP is the best method or technique there is of contraception.
 
If we are defining contraception as:

*“the deliberate use of artificial methods or other techniques to prevent pregnancy as a consequence of sexual intercourse” *

Then NFP is the best method or technique there is of contraception.
NFP is not contraception. NFP is not an artificial method or technique to prevent pregnancy as a result of sexual intercourse; NFP is abstinence from sexual intercourse during times of ovulation.

Completely different.

Contraception is having sexual intercourse, but artificially blocking the life-creating power of it.

NFP is not having sexual intercourse.

You don’t see the difference?
 
You mean you’ve never heard of the Quiverfull movement?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull
Yes, I’ve heard of it. There’s an entire subculture that exists where homeschooling is expected, skirts/dresses not pants for the women, and NFP is considered just as sinful as artificial contraception. Others would go as far as prohibiting women from attending higher education and having a man in charge of them in all stages of their lives.
 
I’ve heard it all clarified and I’m not insinuating that any church teaching has changed. But it is relevant to the discussion. Even under the ‘infallible’ teaching of Humanae Vitae, there appear to be instances, in some Roman Catholic minds, where non-abortive contraception can lead to a more-moral society, however rare those instances may be. Personally, I think that’s a dangerous slippery slope, but at least some Roman Catholics think otherwise.
Some 'Roman Catholic minds" are NOT the Church teachings To follow those going against what the Church teaches is like the blind following the blind. Where will it get them?? The Bible tells us in the ditch. In spite of what some like to think, we are NOT the Church. We are members of the Church and hopefully faithful ones. God Bless, Memaw
 
NFP is not contraception. NFP is not an artificial method or technique to prevent pregnancy as a result of sexual intercourse; NFP is abstinence from sexual intercourse during times of ovulation.

Completely different.

Contraception is having sexual intercourse, but artificially blocking the life-creating power of it.

NFP is not having sexual intercourse.

You don’t see the difference?
No, I don’t see the difference because the purpose of both is to have sex while making the chances of conception very small, the intent is the same, the method is different. One method is wrong the other morally acceptable. In fact it’s billed that way. My wife and I took an NFP class and the teacher proudly claimed that NFP is MORE effective than condoms.

Its true. NFP is one of the most effective techniques or methods out there for reducing the chances of conception during sexual intercourse.

Seems like a loophole to me.
 
No, I don’t see the difference because the purpose of both is to have sex while making the chances of conception very small, the intent is the same, the method is different. One method is wrong the other morally acceptable. In fact it’s billed that way. My wife and I took an NFP class and the teacher proudly claimed that NFP is MORE effective than condoms.

Its true. NFP is one of the most effective techniques or methods out there for reducing the chances of conception during sexual intercourse.

Seems like a loophole to me.
Okay, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. You have made your position clear, and that is all I can ask.

Like my sig says, “I prefer clarity to agreement”.

Paul
 
No, I don’t see the difference because the purpose of both is to have sex while making the chances of conception very small, the intent is the same, the method is different. One method is wrong the other morally acceptable. In fact it’s billed that way. My wife and I took an NFP class and the teacher proudly claimed that NFP is MORE effective than condoms.

Its true. NFP is one of the most effective techniques or methods out there for reducing the chances of conception during sexual intercourse.

Seems like a loophole to me.
Maybe you just don’t want to see the difference! God Bless, Memaw
 
Sorry for the delayed response. Crazy weekend. Anyways
“Regulating birth” and “contraception” is a distinction without a difference.
Actually there is quite a difference. It’s the difference between ends and means. Regulating birth is the goal, contraception is the means. And you know as well as I do that not all means are equivalent, even if they have the same goal in mind.
NFP is one of the most effective methods of " a technique for preventing pregnancy as a consequence of sexual intercourse".
No, not quite. It’s one of the most effective means of achieving or avoiding pregnancy. But it’s no way, shape, or form a technique for preventing a pregnancy as a result of sex, as the definition of contraception I gave said. Precisely because there’s no sex going on to prevent any pregnancy resulting from it.

All NFP is is information. If a couple decides they are not in good shape financially, physically, or emotionally to have a child, then they abstain. There’s no thwarting of the sexual act going on like there is in contraception, because there is no act to thwart.
If I use NFP to have lots of sex without having to worry about a herd of little ankle biters running around my house, or I use a condom to have lots of sex without having to worry about a herd of little ankle biters, why is that a genuine difference with one being acceptable and one not acceptable? The intention is the same.
Again, the difference is in the means. And this not a minor difference. That would be like saying if I work two jobs to earn enough money to pay off my mortgage, or I rob a bank, why is that a genuine difference with one being acceptable and one not? The intention is the same in both situations, I need money to pay off my loan. Clearly, intention and goal being the same aren’t enough to make two actions morally equivalent.
I respect folks that are honestly against all contraception, without loopholes and escape hatches. Most of the folks I know that are against contraception are evangelical Protestant Christians.
I do too. I think it’s awesome, and if God has given them the means to have twenty plus kids, then good for them.

I think it’s unfair to characterize NFP users as being dishonest and just exploiting a loophole though. Because that would mean that all sex on infertile days are illicit, even if you’re not consciously avoiding children. Or that elderly couples past child-bearing age are exploiting a loophole. It’s not a loophole to not have sex on fertile days, because it’s simply cooperation with God’s design, not interference like contraception is. God’s the one who designed the woman’s fertility cycle to have ebbs and flows, not us, so it can’t be loophole to use them. If he intended every act to result in pregnancy, he would have designed the woman to be fertile 24/7.

Here’s the key that helped me see why the Church isn’t being inconsistent in condemning contraception but condoning NFP. It’s from John Paul’s encyclical Familiaris Consortio:

*When couples, by means of recourse to contraception, **separate these two meanings ***[the unitive and procreative] that God the Creator has inscribed in the being of man and woman and in the dynamism of their sexual communion, they act as “arbiters” of the divine plan and they “manipulate” and degrade human sexuality-and with it themselves and their married partner-by altering its value of “total” self-giving. Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other.

…When, instead, by means of recourse to periods of infertility, the couple respect the inseparable connection between the unitive and procreative meanings of human sexuality, they are acting as “ministers” of God’s plan and they “benefit from” their sexuality according to the original dynamism of “total” selfgiving, without manipulation or alteration.

See, a lot of people, myself included before I read this, think the reason the Church opposes contraception is because it stops a baby from coming into existence. That’s part of it, but it’s not the main reason. Otherwise, like I said, then sex on any infertile day, which is 3/4 of the month, would be sinful. And yeah, in that case, it doesn’t make sense to allow NFP because it too avoids conceiving children. It does seem like a loophole.

But in fact, the main reason the Church does is because contraception separates and puts a barrier (literally, in the case of a condom) between the connection of sex and procreation. It takes sex out of it’s proper context. It says sex isn’t intrinsically linked to children, but is solely for adult pleasure and fulfillment. Any children that result are secondary to that. All you have to do is look in any magazine at a beauty salon to see that’s exactly how we look at sex. That is the problem with contraception. That’s why it’s wrong.

NFP by definition recognizes and respects that inseparable connection, as JPII describes it. It’s foundational to it. If you can’t have a baby, then don’t do the act which brings babies into existence. And it’s for that reason the Church permits NFP. Not as a loophole, but respecting God’s design.
 
I just so happens I ran across an article in “Catholic Exchange” that TOTALLY answers the question about the difference between NFP and contraception:

Isn’t NFP Just Catholic “Birth Control?”

I like the summation of the author’s point at the very end of the article:
NFP isn’t the Catholic solution to the problem of ‘too many children;’ rather, it is the Church’s response to the gaping void of too little love.
 
All protestant denominations were opposed to all birth control till 1930. Then all hell broke loose and we now have abortion till birth. Good have MERCY on us. God Bless. Memaw
P.S. My husbands Grandma who was Christian did not believe in it, she told me so, and she had 17 children.
All the Protestant reformers, particularly Martin Luther, condemned contraception. They took issue with the Catholic emphasis on celibacy and recommended marriage and children for nearly everyone.
touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=20-04-020-f
 
No, I don’t see the difference because the purpose of both is to have sex while making the chances of conception very small, the intent is the same, the method is different. One method is wrong the other morally acceptable. In fact it’s billed that way. My wife and I took an NFP class and the teacher proudly claimed that NFP is MORE effective than condoms.

Its true. NFP is one of the most effective techniques or methods out there for reducing the chances of conception during sexual intercourse.

Seems like a loophole to me.
:thumbsup:Yes it is a huge loophole you could drive a big rig through!
 
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