Are these really 'Catholics'?

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Hello all. I got a shirt today that has a cross on it and “This shirt is illegal in 53 countries” with Romans 1:16 on the back and a cross.
It had a website which is persecution dot com. They Talk about the persecution of Christians Evangelical/Catholic. In one, it says that traditionalist Catholics threatened to lynch a group of evangelicals?

This is what it says:

"At least 70 evangelical Christians are homeless after being expelled by
local authorities from their village of San Rafael, Tlanalapan, where
traditionalist Catholics reportedly threatened to “crucify or lynch” them.
Leaders of traditionalist Catholics, a sect that blends Roman
Catholicism with native spiritualism, ordered 50 Protestant families to
leave the village in Puebla State by Sept. 12, but some were allowed to
stay under the condition they worship outside the area.
The regional government official, Roberto Solano Pineda, told La
Jornada news agency, “Local authorities agreed that evangelicals who
are not originally from the area must leave, as the state government
cannot guarantee their safety.”
The mayor did not stop the expulsions amid fears he would be
expelled by the traditionalists, Mexican media reported.
A few residents told reporters they regretted that authorities did not
pressure the local priest to halt the expulsions.

Please pray that God will strengthen and reestablish these precious
believers. Ask God to bind the spirit of deception that holds the
traditionalist Catholics captive and that they become receptive to the
gospel. Pray that the Christian remnant that remains in the village will
be bold and share God’s truth in love.
“But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ.
Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the
knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss
of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ.”
Philippians 3:7-8
The Voice of the Martyrs assists persecuted Christians in Mexico with
literature and other resources."

SO are these like those people that claim to be Catholics, or legit Catholics in communion with Rome?
 
This is a link to the same story. It is from September 2011. religionnewsblog.com/26171/christians-in-mexico-forced-from-village-threatened-with-crucifixion-or-lynching

There are a lot of places that are, just as the US Southwest was 3-400 years ago, Catholic in that the native peoples have been baptized and go to some kind of Mass with a properly ordained priest, but that have incorporated their local customs. This is common over the less-developed world.

The Church cannot go in and forcibly police these people and make them be Westernized Catholics, by culture. Evangelization is a continuous process and has been since the first Pentecost.

Are they “real” Catholics? I don’t know. Is someone who goes to Mass when they should and avoids any sort of mortal sin, but thinks it’s okay to gossip about everyone to everyone else and never confesses this because they don’t think it’s sin, it’s just what they do a “real” Catholic?

I don’t know that, either. I don’t know if I am. I suggest prayer and being concerned with those closest to us.
 
From this more general article; The Roman Catholic bishop of San Cristobal de las Casas, Chiapas, Felipe Arizmendi, has denied ties with the “traditional Catholics.”

It’s a tricky situation all around. On the one hand, these “tradionalist Catholics” seem to to be not connected with the Church, which may stem not only from V2 but also from what was seen as betrayal by the bishops during the Christeros uprising; on the other hand, we have a village into which one Evangelical moved or converted, only to see 20 years later, 70 Evangelicals.

I live in the Bible Belt of the USA, and when I used to live in a more populated place I would see signs advertising talks by Protestant missionaried who’d gone to Mexico, and the odd person stopping by to ask for money to help send them.

I also heard a talk by a couple who had been involved in this who had converted to Catholicism. They said these groups go down and have American teens outside the Catholic churches on Sundays to attract Mexican teens, and the like. I imagine that towns which see this happening end up pretty upset with those who are taking Catholic children out of the Church.
 
St_Francis said:
From this more general article; The Roman Catholic bishop of San Cristobal de las Casas, Chiapas, Felipe Arizmendi, has denied ties with the “traditional Catholics.”
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From the article: “Traditional Mexicans view Protestant Christianity as a threat to their culture, tradition, and Catholic faith, especially given the number of Mexicans in recent decades that have changed to evangelical Christianity after reading the Bible.”
Yeah, right. :cool:
 
I really don’t know about that site, nor am I going to waste my time looking into it.

What I do know is that frequently evangelicals go down to “evangelize” Catholics. They go in and build things to these incredibly poor communities and all the ask for in return is to “pray” with them.

I have no doubt that some evangelicals have told these people they are not Christians and probably have led astray Catholic children and adults. And because of that I am sure there have been quite negative responses trying to make these people leave who don’t even think Catholics are Christians.
 
MariaG said:
I really don’t know about that site, nor am I going to waste my time looking into it.

What I do know is that frequently evangelicals go down to “evangelize” Catholics. They go in and build things to these incredibly poor communities and all the ask for in return is to “pray” with them.
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Then they ask them to come to Bible studies or come to prayer group meetings in which they also teach Protestantism. Frequently, the Protestants come with money from U.S. Protestant churches which they use to sort of “buy” these poor people.
I have no doubt that some evangelicals have told these people they are not Christians and probably have led astray Catholic children and adults. And because of that I am sure there have been quite negative responses trying to make these people leave who don’t even think Catholics are Christians.
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They may not tell Catholics they aren’t Christians, but it is what they themselves believe. Obviously. :rolleyes: Or they wouldn’t be “evangelising” them. I think it is so wrong… they should stay in their own country and evangelise all the atheists and the Muslims. There is something so unethical about picking off Catholics and misleading them away from the Church.
 
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Then they ask them to come to Bible studies or come to prayer group meetings in which they also teach Protestantism. Frequently, the Protestants come with money from U.S. Protestant churches which they use to sort of “buy” these poor people.

They may not tell Catholics they aren’t Christians, but it is what they themselves believe. Obviously. :rolleyes: Or they wouldn’t be “evangelising” them. I think it is so wrong… they should stay in their own country and evangelise all the atheists and the Muslims. There is something so unethical about picking off Catholics and misleading them away from the Church.
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I agree!! But it is so much easier to pick off someone who is already a Christian but not strong than to actually spread the Good News to people who have never heard it.

So much more bubbling in my mind on this. But I think I just need to stop here. It truly makes me so incredibly angry that these people waste time, money and resources “evangelizing” Catholics. Satan is laughing at that.
 
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