Are these verses in Bible about Salat?

[dzheremi]

It doesn’t, it can’t, and anyway this poster is just stumping for Islam by this point. It seems that the OPs question has been answered, though, so maybe it’s natural for the thread to drift a little (not that it’s going anywhere good when it comes down to this “Islam perfects previous religions” talk…have fun on the merry-go-round, friends).

 

[Dialogues]

I assume you are referring to the Lord’s prayer which Jesus himself commanded and I see nothing imperfect in it. … I do not see how this needs to be perfected. Nor can I see how islam perfects it.

I was indeed comparing the Christian ‘Lords prayer’ with the prayer in Sura Fatihah of the Qur’an, which is recited numerous times daily by Muslims.

What I was pointing out was that the Muslim prayer is for seeking right guidance, whereas the Christian prayer is for daily bread. One is a matter to do with one’s eternal life, the other is to do with one’s worldly life. I am not saying it is wrong to ask God for worldly requirements, but I am saying that to make this the primary thing that is asked for is not what is in the daily Islamic prayer.

The Islamic prayer is for guidance to and along the right path to reach one’s destination and objective for walking on the right path, which is nearness to God Our Creator, as was attained by the prophets and saints. And one also prays that one does not become an object of wrath due to one’s misdeeds, and one should not deviate from the right path and go astray after having been guided onto it. So, the prayer is:

• Guide us along the right path, the path of those on whom You bestowed Your favours, not (the path of) those who incurred Displeasure, nor (the path of) those who went astray. *

Had Christians recited such a prayer for daily guidance instead of asking for ‘daily bread’, Christians would not have gone astray and made Jesus, a humble human being who used to eat his daily bread, into the Majestic God Almighty.

Peace.

 

[ltwin]

What I was pointing out was that the Muslim prayer is for seeking right guidance, whereas the Christian prayer is for daily bread. One is a matter to do with one’s eternal life, the other is to do with one’s worldly life. I am not saying it is wrong to ask God for worldly requirements, but I am saying that to make this the primary thing that is asked for is not what is in the daily Islamic prayer.

The Lord’s Prayer is not simply about daily bread. In fact, daily bread is mentioned once, while the prayer concerns God’s will and kingdom, forgiveness, and being delivered from evil.

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

More importantly, when Jesus talks about daily bread he means more than sustenance. Jesus is our daily bread.

 

[Tarquin]

The Lord’s Prayer is not simply about daily bread. In fact, daily bread is mentioned once, while the prayer concerns God’s will and kingdom, forgiveness, and being delivered from evil.

”I know not course what others may choose, but”
the following is close enough for me. If dua can be formulated with some freedom of word choice, then despite the obligatory recitation of al-Fatiha, the same sense can be conveyed, especially in non-Arabic languages, using wording that is different as long as it is synonymous and harmonious.

Our Father in heaven,

1. BISMIL LAAHIR RAHMAANIR RAHEEM.
   In the name of “God”, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

hallowed be your name.
2. AL HAMDU LILLAHI RABBIL `AALAMEEN.
Praise be to “God”, Lord of the universe
3. AR RAHMAANIR RAHEEM.
Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Your kingdom come,
your will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven.
4. MAALIKI YAWMID DEEN.
Master of the Day of Judgment
5.a. wa EYYAAKA NA`BUDU,
You alone we worship;

Give us this day our daily bread,
5.b. wa EYYAAKA NASTA`EEN.
You alone we ask for help

and forgive us our debts (“trespasses”),
7.b. GHAYRIL MAGHDOOBI `ALAYHIM WALADDAALEEN.
not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers (“trespassers”)

as we also have forgiven our debtors (“trespassers”).
6. EH’DENAS SIRAATAL MUSTAQEEM.
Guide us in the right path (“forgiveness”),

And lead us not into temptation (“the wrong path”),
6. EH’DENAS SIRAATAL MUSTAQEEM. 7.a. SIRAATAL LAZINA ANAMTA ALAYHIM;
Guide us in the right path, the path of those whom You blessed;

but deliver us from evil (“actions deserving wrath”).
GHAYRIL MAGHDOOBI `ALAYHIM WALADDAALEEN.
not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers

. . . to which might be added:

Waqur rabbighfir warham wa’anta khayrur rahimeen.
So say, “Our Lord! Grant us forgiveness and mercy! For You are the Best of those who show mercy.”
Quran 23:118

Rabbana innana amanna faghfir lana zonoobana waqina 'athaban nar.
Our Lord! We have indeed believed. Forgive us our sins and save us from the agony of the Fire.
Quran 3:16

And as for food, whether expressing gratitude or hope:
Alhamdulillah il-lathi at’amana wasaqana waja’alana Muslimeen.
Praise be to Allah Who has fed us and given us drink, and made us Muslims.

 

[dzheremi]

Had Christians recited such a prayer for daily guidance instead of asking for ‘daily bread’, Christians would not have gone astray and made Jesus, a humble human being who used to eat his daily bread, into the Majestic God Almighty.

Peace.

You know nothing of Christian tradition, yet you compare it unfavorably to the Qur’an and chastise us for supposedly not having such a prayer as is found in your book. Lord have mercy. The examples of the pure apostolic Christian tradition that say exactly what you claim we do not could fill an endless supply of books greatly outnumbering every Qur’an to ever be printed. Even from just one form of that tradition, there are endless examples. I could point to the introduction to every hour of the Agpeya, the hourly prayer book that is recited seven times (not five, like Muslims with their daily prayers), or the praises offered by the monks in the Veil, or any number of places. The introductory hymn to the midnight praises, for instance, has just such a verse asking God to scatter those who hate His holy name that they may flee from His judgment, while strengthening those who have gathered together in the midnight hour to praise Him. So I don’t know what is so special about your book in this regard that this kind of phrasing as is found in it would somehow much better than we are when we already have many such things. Your mistake appears to be mistaking the triumphalism of Islam as being favor from God, while the repentance and supplication offered in Christianity means we’ve gone astray. This is a lie from the devil. What did Jesus Christ, our Lord, actually say? The Son of Man has come not to be served, but to serve (Mark 10:45). What did our holy Orthodox fathers teach us? That He blessed our nature in Himself; that He assumed the place of the lowly because that which is not assumed is not saved (to parphrase St. Gregory). This is the essence of humility that has been cultivated by 2000 years of unbroken Christian tradition, and cannot be bested by anyone or anything.

Think twice before comparing the Holy Bible to the Qur’an when you only know one of them. They are, as you have rightly surmised (but to the wrong end), very much not the same.

An example of reproving the evildoers and asking to be kept from their errors: Tthe first Psalm of our teacher David the prophet and king

Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the path of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful.

But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in His law he meditates day and night.

He shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that brings forth fruit in its season, whose leaf also shall not wither; and whatever he does, he shall prosper.

The ungodly are not so, but are like the chaff which the wind drives away.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in judgement, nor the sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Alleluia.

The introductory hymn of the midnight praises/tasbeha of the Coptic tradition, known as Tentheeno (‘Arise’), presented here in English translation with additional emphases:

Arise O children of the light, let us praise the Lord of hosts.

• That He may grant us the salvation of our souls.

Whenever we stand before You in the flesh.

• Cast away from our minds the slumber of sleep.

Grant us sobriety O Lord, that we may know how to stand before You at times of prayer.

• And ascribe unto You the befitting glorification, and win the forgiveness of our many sins. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

Behold bless the Lord all you servants of the Lord. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

• You who stand in the house of the Lord, in the courts of the house of our God. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

By night lift up your hands O you saints and bless the Lord. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

• The Lord bless you from Zion, who created heaven and earth. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

Let my cry come before You O Lord, give me understanding according to Your word. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

• Let my supplication come before You, deliver me according to Your word. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

My lips shall overflow with praise, when You have taught me Your statutes. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

• My tongue shall speak of Your words for all Your commandments are righteous. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

Let Your hand help me for I have chosen Your precepts. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

• I have longed for Your salvation O Lord, and Your Law is my delight. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

Let my soul live and it shall praise You, and let Your judgments help me. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

• I have gone astray like a lost sheep, seek Your servant for I do not forget Your commandments. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

Glory be to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

• Now and forever and unto the age of all ages Amen. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

Glory be to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and forever and unto all the ages Amen. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

• Glory be to You O good One the Lover of Mankind, glory be to Your Mother the Virgin and all Your saints. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

Glory be to You O only-begotten One, O holy Trinity have mercy upon us. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.

• Let God arise and let all His enemies be scattered and let all that hate His holy name flee from before His face. Glory be to You O Lover of Mankind.
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  As for Your people let them be blessed, a thousand thousand fold and ten thousand ten thousand fold, doing Your will.**
• O Lord open my lips, and my mouth shall declare Your praise.