Are we alone in the universe?

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The Fermi Paradox

Are we alone in the universe?

If the universe is teeming with life, where are the aliens?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

youtube.com/watch?v=sNhhvQGsMEc
Neil DeGrasse Tyson put it this way: “saying there are no aliens because we have not encountered them is like scooping a glass of water from the beach and saying, ‘there are no whales here’”.

And from Arthur C. Clarke: “two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the universe, or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”.
 
The universe is large enough that there could be billions of rational alien species existing at one time and that they would never come into contact each other. They could be hundreds of galaxies (not star systems, galaxies) apart. One percent of one percent of all galaxies that exist could have one rational alien species existing among their hundreds of billions (if not trillions) of stars, and we’d still have alien civilizations beyond counting.

I’m not committing myself to alien civilizations existing. I’m just saying the universe is a big place, and even if life is an extremely uncommon occurrence such that the chances are miniscule and the universe is so sparsely populated that finding an intelligent alien species from a top down view is an impossible task, there could still be tons out there and none would ever find each other . . .

Or it could be super common! Even our own galaxy is sufficiently large that we could have multiple interstellar civilizations rise and fall over millennia and never come into contact with each other.
 
Or it could be super common! Even our own galaxy is sufficiently large that we could have multiple interstellar civilizations rise and fall over millennia and never come into contact with each other.
Perhaps there was a point to God creating the universe so vast that intelligent species could not devote themselves to butting heads with each other as we do on Earth?
 
From the Biblical point of view - no we are not

If you look at it from the former (alone in the universe) then I would be just some higher entity responding to you and not actually a fellow human being.

But, I am a human being 😃 so while it is an intersting theory - no we are not alone in the universe

I don’t think the Lord would want to make a single human being only anyway when He can delight in the company of so much more 🙂

God bless
 
The aliens are probably minding their own business, as we should. Why would they even want to visit us? The notion that extraterrestrials have visited our planet is a variation of the old theme that we humans are really special.
Jesus as the son of God was an extra-terrestrial whom many believe visited us. 🤷

That makes us special indeed! 👍
 
I got an A in Astronomy class. I just loved it.

One question that appeared on a test, though, was a little ambiguous: It asked, “Is there any intelligent life in the universe?”

I put down “Yes”.

They marked me off for that answer, saying it was wrong.

I did not like that because, in our universe, there is intelligent life (I hope). Mainly it exists on Earth.
 
I got an A in Astronomy class. I just loved it.

One question that appeared on a test, though, was a little ambiguous: It asked, “Is there any intelligent life in the universe?”

I put down “Yes”.

They marked me off for that answer, saying it was wrong.

I did not like that because, in our universe, there is intelligent life (I hope). Mainly it exists on Earth.
In Calvin and Hobbes, Calvin says that the surest sign of intelligent life out there is “that none if it has tries to contact us”.
 
I got an A in Astronomy class. I just loved it.

One question that appeared on a test, though, was a little ambiguous: It asked, “Is there any intelligent life in the universe?”

I put down “Yes”.

They marked me off for that answer, saying it was wrong.

I did not like that because, in our universe, there is intelligent life (I hope). Mainly it exists on Earth.
That your professor gave you an A betrays the fact that he was wrong even to ask the question! 😉
 
God only gave Souls to human beings and it is the descendents of earthly Adam that bear original sin and we’re sent Jesus to save us.

So how could aliens exist,
Do they have Souls?"

Do they have original sin?
If not, then they would be Holy like the angels and like our Lady.

Are they just animals?
Then how could animals have technology and civilisations?

Is their biblical words talking about aliens?

Revelation says, that mankind is set to continue until the empty thrones of the fallen angels are filled up in Heaven. No mention of places for aliens.
 
Revelation says, that mankind is set to continue until the empty thrones of the fallen angels are filled up in Heaven. No mention of places for aliens.
No, it is eternal life, which is why it is called eternal life. We get the Beatific Vision! Also, it isn’t really of much consequence. God will dwell with His people in perfect love. Does His people include aliens?

Again, it doesn’t matter as a practical issue for us because we have our own choice to make over Jesus (and that’s a wonderful choice).
 
I will care about aliens when I, my natural human eyes, see evidence for them.

Until then I couldn’t give less of a flip.

Living a human life should be more than enough for anybody.

God never gave us the sky. He can do therein as He sees fit.

ICXC NIKA
 
I suppose I am “atheistic” on the matter.
There being no proof that alien life exists, it doesn’t.
As much as I like sci-fi, it does not constitute proof, just wishful thinking.
I don’t know; we were created to tend God’s garden universe.
There’s probably going to be lots of work to do after the resurrection.
 
I suppose I am “atheistic” on the matter.
There being no proof that alien life exists, it doesn’t.
As much as I like sci-fi, it does not constitute proof, just wishful thinking.
I don’t know; we were created to tend God’s garden universe.
There’s probably going to be lots of work to do after the resurrection.
Yes, but we will already be fulfilled. Are we not to stay in union with God and with one another? (Not like an Eastern Indic concept where we become God, I meant the Beatific Vision.) I don’t know what “tending” is supposed to mean and what that entails. That was “back in the day” (Genesis) anyhow. 🤷
 
The universe is large enough that there could be billions of rational alien species existing at one time and that they would never come into contact each other. They could be hundreds of galaxies (not star systems, galaxies) apart. One percent of one percent of all galaxies that exist could have one rational alien species existing among their hundreds of billions (if not trillions) of stars, and we’d still have alien civilizations beyond counting.

I’m not committing myself to alien civilizations existing. I’m just saying the universe is a big place, and even if life is an extremely uncommon occurrence such that the chances are miniscule and the universe is so sparsely populated that finding an intelligent alien species from a top down view is an impossible task, there could still be tons out there and none would ever find each other . . .

Or it could be super common! Even our own galaxy is sufficiently large that we could have multiple interstellar civilizations rise and fall over millennia and never come into contact with each other.
As civilizations progress, eventually distance and maybe even time becomes less of a problem.

We have absolutely no idea what the travel capabilities would be for a civilization that has been around 1000 + yrs longer than we have. For some reason people seem to forget that when discussing possible UFOs, its almost comical to think distance would be the same problem to them as it is for us right now. LOL

I believe the universe is probably like Star Wars/ Star Trek, LOTS and LOTS of different systems out there, LOTS of different types of life, some very intelligent, others, not so much. Some probably are aware of each other, any may even have trade set up with each other, we just have no way of knowing anything about this, but whatever is out there, the same God we worship, created it ALL.
 
As civilizations progress, eventually distance and maybe even time becomes less of a problem.

We have absolutely no idea what the travel capabilities would be for a civilization that has been around 1000 + yrs longer than we have. For some reason people seem to forget that when discussing possible UFOs, its almost comical to think distance would be the same problem to them as it is for us right now. LOL

I believe the universe is probably like Star Wars/ Star Trek, LOTS and LOTS of different systems out there, LOTS of different types of life, some very intelligent, others, not so much. Some probably are aware of each other, any may even have trade set up with each other, we just have no way of knowing anything about this, but whatever is out there, the same God we worship, created it ALL.
Even should we be capable of faster-than-light (FTL) travel, even if we could zip from one end of the galaxy and back in simple years, the distance between single galaxies seems nigh on insurmountable. Galaxies themselves are grouped in clusters, with even greater distances between one cluster and another, and there are supergalactic clusters even beyond counting. Whether we could zip across the galaxy in days and pop across the great voids between them in the blink of an eye, visisiting a trillion trillion stars, it’ll still be as if we’ve inspected one grain of sand on a beach compared to the rest of the universe.

I’m a big sci-fi fan myself. But the universe is sufficiently huge that, even should we visit so many worlds and galaxies and find nothing but ourselves, the sample size would be so small as to make any pronouncements that no other life exists in the universe silly, or even that it’s unlikely, silly.
 
So Jesus came that we might be saved and reunited with God because sin entered our world through Adam and Eve…that doesn’t mean that if God has created life throughout the universe that the same fall from grace happened to other civilizations on other worlds…personally I think that our universe is alive with other beings…doesn’t God delight in all his creation…so why wouldn’t he create beings through his love that they might love him in return…one day if I hopefully make it to heaven my hope would be to be with God as he creates life and watch that life evolve in all its forms over eternity…it’s going to be a busy time participating in… and praising God for the wonders that will unfold as he creates life…no sitting around on a cloud playing a harp:)
 
Even should we be capable of faster-than-light (FTL) travel, even if we could zip from one end of the galaxy and back in simple years, the distance between single galaxies seems nigh on insurmountable. Galaxies themselves are grouped in clusters, with even greater distances between one cluster and another, and there are supergalactic clusters even beyond counting. Whether we could zip across the galaxy in days and pop across the great voids between them in the blink of an eye, visisiting a trillion trillion stars, it’ll still be as if we’ve inspected one grain of sand on a beach compared to the rest of the universe.

I’m a big sci-fi fan myself. But the universe is sufficiently huge that, even should we visit so many worlds and galaxies and find nothing but ourselves, the sample size would be so small as to make any pronouncements that no other life exists in the universe silly, or even that it’s unlikely, silly.
Well, even today, experts know that you do not always have to travel the entire distance to reach a destination when it comes to space travel, (folding space so to speak), wormholes, etc, Einstein proved it was possible, so whose to say some civilization that has been around much longer than we have, has not perfected this or some other form of long distance travel, by ‘getting around’ distance.

I just think its hilarious to try and put the same limitations on them as the hurdles we face today, just look at the technological progress on earth in the last 150 yrs…now imagine another 1000, or even 5000 years!!

I invite anyone who is interested to read some of these, these are historical sightings before 1800, going back to times before Christ…whatever they are, they have been coming here for a very long time now!

centroufologiconazionale.net/documenti/Wonders%20In%20The%20Sky%20-%20Unexplained%20Aerial%20Objects%20From%20Antiquity%20To%20Modern%20Times.pdf
 
I’m not sure we’re in disagreement, and I’m not putting any hurdles on them. Take all the hurdles away. Make the tech of Star Wars, Star Trek, and Dune look as primitive as a stone hand axe. All I’m saying is that the universe is so huge that a million year old intergalactic civilization without technological hurdles and capable of teleporting to any point in space could exist and still, because the universe is so big, never bump into another intelligent species, even if there were millions across the galaxy.

I’m only trying to comment on the scale of the observable universe.
 
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