Are we losing the culture war?

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Cardi B (a former stripper who used to drug and rob men) being so heavily promoted by the powers that be is just the most recent example of the uphill battle we face in the culture war.

I try hard not to judge her for her past actions either, but seeing a snippet of her most recent song (which reached number one in the charts in the US and multiple other nations) and reading through some of the lyrics in that song, it’s obvious she hasn’t left that ‘way of thinking’ behind. If anything, her past has made her the perfect poster girl for the ‘forces’ trying to push the sexual revolution. She was even deemed the best person to interview a US presidential candidate. I mean, seriously?

Of course Cardi B isn’t the only example of this. It has been going on for a long time now. She’s just the most recent one.

Are we losing this battle and realistically, are we ever going to win it? I mean, the world is supposed to get worse before it ends, right, not better? Is it pointless going up against the machine, and should we just be concentrating on saving as many souls as we can from the grips of this evil, rather than trying to overturn the cultural propaganda as a whole?
 
It does seem that way doesn’t it? Apathy is seen as a virtue. No matter what you do as an individual is fine if you’re happy with it. We all watch the world take a ride to Hades on a shutter and few people seem to care.
I believe that there are some people we cannot help as people. I don’t mean we give up, but at some time we need to make sure “our business” is in order.
Anyone can change to become a better person, but the image she puts out shows me she has far to go. We can suggest, but have to leave it to God.
Dominus vobiscum
 
I have given up on hoping to change the culture, I don’t think it is going to stop rotting.
Instead I focus on what we do as a family, instilling in my children a moral “normal” instead of what our culture deems is normal.
Even with extended family at this point it seems easier to limit contact if questionable things might arise then to try to even discuss moral issues with them.
Moral relativism had really ruined a lot of people’s conscience.
 
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but the image she puts out shows me she has far to go
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Indeed it does, and I sometimes wonder how much of a sin it is to guide people down the wrong path.

For instance, she could become a completely different person in however many years, repent and live a virtues moral life. The problem is the amount of people she would have sent down the wrong path in the meantime. She has a massive following and a lot of people are going to be influenced by her.

It’s a bit like Kanye West. While I’d still not describe him as the ideal description of a Christian, he seems to have turned a corner in his life and talks a lot about God now, renouncing some of the things he had previously promoted as evil. Some of his fans may follow him down this more correct path, but there are probably also many others who are now stuck in the place he led them to before with his music and philosophies. I wonder how much responsibility rests on him for that?
 
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She was even deemed the best person to interview a US presidential candidate.
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Do you want to hear something unbelievable? That was supposedly a Catholic interviewing a Catholic.

Yep, Cardi B identifies as a Catholic. Whether she was actually baptised though, I do not know.
 
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Are we losing this battle and realistically, are we ever going to win it? …
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The Holy Trinity does not give up on mankind, however mankind embraces worldliness. There must be a will to obtain and cooperate with grace in order to escape worldliness.
 
Losing? Try lost. Christians in the West need to accept that we’re living in a culture in which we’re the minority.
 
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The culture war was lost years ago.

Once the Church took itself out of play through the ongoing sex abuse scandals and the evangelicals had their scandals, there was really no moral authority to credibly lead the conservative response to the progressive inroads around the key issues of gay marriage and abortion.
 
We lost in the Garden, again in the cities of Cain, in the long intermediate time when paganism ruled, with the world of Abraham, and the Bible tells of how the Israelites lost always to their destruction, and the NT of how Christians kept losing and you can see the horrid world they lived in. We are never going to win a “culture war.” The culture for 99.99% of human history except the fraction of time we were in Eden has been horrific. We should focus on receiving the grace of God and sharing it with who He commands us to share it. You can’t fight concupiscence without grace, and the Satan is the god of this world. These are his kingdoms and dominions, it is never going to be good until the Lord establishes His kingdom. Even in the so-called “age of faith” you can read about the degenerate culture.

[1 John]
{2:16} For all that is in the world is the desire of the flesh, and the desire of the eyes, and the arrogance of a life which is not of the Father, but is of the world.
{2:17} And the world is passing away, with its desire. But whoever does the will of God abides unto eternity.
 
It’s not exactly a tender love song, is it? And to think the adult establishment was opposed to the evil influence of rock-and-roll in the 1950’s, particularly the music of Elvis Presley. We’ve come a long way…down, not only with regard to explicit sex lyrics and violence in film but the quality of the arts craftsmanship, education, and so many other things in general. It is only likely to get worse, if that is possible, until society implodes and destroys itself. Other than that, have a nice day.
 
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Polak said:
should we just be concentrating on saving as many souls as we can from the grips of this evil, rather than trying to overturn the cultural propaganda as a whole?
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Not that we should ignore the state of our culture, but person-to-person evangelism (or as you say, “saving as many souls” around us) seems to be our God-ordained work. Mother Teresa did it by serving the homeless on her street corner; so did the Lord (talking with individual fishermen, prostitutes, tax collectors.)

From a homily by our priest:

“Every saint pays attention to persons . . . and not to structures, institutions, parties, programs or roles. For the saint only the person counts, and everything else Is subordinated and ordered to the good of the person. The saint is never impersonal. He never loves or serves “humanity in general.” He only loves and serves the person near at hand, the neighbor given by God—the most difficult and most divine manner of acting that there is.”
 
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Without having read others’ replies, I say we must stand our ground, keep our faith,

Proverbs, “In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths.”

Never quit, never surrender.
 
Man has been trying to master the powers of nature since they became hostile to us after the fall.

Seeking to recreate paradise lost. Seeking to escape the curse of the original sin. Seeking to escape God.

I think it’s when mankind has , in his own mind, masters the powers of nature eneogh to feel free of any threat to our earthly life. Survival is no longer an issue. Undone are the consequences of sin and sin itself. Because that’s what drives the effort to master nature.
When survival of species is thought to be certain, death conquered, and sin a thing of the antiquated past. That’s, I think, the peace that Jesus is telling us will prevail when it’s time.
 
The culture wars have been lost.
Much of the West is in a stage of decay, economically, socially and culturally. Some will deny it but I think they are too short-sighted. Once it all finally crumbles, something will have to replace it.
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I have given up on hoping to change the culture, I don’t think it is going to stop rotting.
Instead I focus on what we do as a family, instilling in my children a moral “normal” instead of what our culture deems is normal.
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Yup. Focus on what you can do. Tiny steps at a time.
 
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Are we losing this battle and realistically, are we ever going to win it?
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I think we are going to experience the culture swinging back and forth. While Cardi B and her peers are celebrated, the outrage over the song was probably a lot louder than in the past. The Cuties film also got a really loud backlash from both liberals and conservatives yesterday, despite the film being initially defended by the former.

Also, there’s so much sex and vulgarities artists can do before it gets boring and uninspired. Just saw a post on Twitter about Selena Gomez saying she felt pressure to be sexual for her previous music (think she was topless or something) and how that’s not how she is in reality.

I think we will eventually see pop music being “tamer”…and then back to sexual again once being explicit becomes shocking again.

On reddit, there’s a controversial forum for women called Female Dating Strategy. It’s often called the women’s version of the red pill forums. It has dumb ideas in it, to be honest, but lots of women there are becoming angry at modern liberal feminism for praising sex workers, they’re against sleeping with men quickly into the relationship and things like that. Of course, they’re not running to Christian beliefs anytime soon. Most of them are still pro choice, against religion and pro-women-being-sexual.

But basically my point is that I’m seeing many people getting tired and are moving towards the centre of issues.

At the end of the day, I think we should focus on enriching our lives and doing the best we can instead of only huffing and puffing. We have the truth at the end of the day.
 
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Christianity (Catholicism/Orthodoxy) has been a long windy road of defeat after defeat leading to the eventual triumph and final and utterly total victory of Christ over the world. That’s not to say we didn’t have our high points (Byzantine Empire for the Orthodox, Papal States/Middle Ages for the Roman Church). But even these fell in the end. There are two constants in this world. Christ’s Sacramental presence within the Church, and the forces of darkness at the gates trying to force their way in to conquer it. The world will always embrace sin. The masses will always embrace sin. Salvation is a gift for all but Christ Himself cautions us that few will accept it. It’s just a Biblical fact that the majority of people in every age of human history, will go to Hell. We can’t and shouldn’t focus on who, individually. That is beyond our knowledge. We already lost the culture war. Others already pointed out a number of reasons why. But our fight is not over. Fast throughout the year, keep your prayer rule daily. Frequent the Sacraments as often as you need them so you can receive our Lord in Holy Communion every chance you can get. This is how we do our part to conquer death/evil/sin.
 
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While Cardi B and her peers are celebrated, the outrage over the song was probably a lot louder than in the past. The Cuties film also got a really loud backlash from both liberals and conservatives yesterday, despite the film being initially defended by the former.
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What I find ironic is that a lot of these artists truly believe that being more and more sexual is so revolutionary, risky, and goes against the mainstream. If only they realised how much it doesn’t. They are literally doing exactly what is wanted from them.

You want to be risky? Try saying you’re going to do a song about God, Jesus, and how one should be chaste and not look for multiple sexual partners. That’s so against the mainstream, it wouldn’t be promoted anywhere. Isn’t it weird that they’d censor the heck out of a song or piece of art work against oversexualisation.
 
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Isn’t it weird that they’d censor the heck out of a song or piece of art work against oversexualisation.
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Such as?
I’ve never seen a “radio edit” of a gospel pop song.
 
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