Are we the mother of ALL?

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Deconi said:
There is only One Mother Church. That’s why she’s called our Mother!
You are correct!

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Quite clear, that the church you speak of isn’t our mother according to sola scriptora!
Galatians 4:
24 Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.
25 Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children.
** 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.**
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now.
30 Howbeit what saith the scripture? Cast out the handmaid and her son: for the son of the handmaid shall not inherit with the son of the freewoman.
31 Wherefore, brethren, we are not children of a handmaid, but of the freewoman.

Sincerely In Christ Jesus Our Shepherd
Barelohim.
 
Barelohim said:
**Seems since Jesus came as the Holy Spirit, before anything was written of the New testament, **those members of His body didn’t have the problems of knowing how to walk in the light, as many of His membesr do so today, and as can be read on this forum!

The Spirit had John write this… 1 John 2:24 As for you, let that abide in you which ye heard from the beginning. If that which ye heard from the beginning abide in you, ye also shall abide in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise which he promised us, even the life eternal.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that would lead you astray.
27 And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you; concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him.

The anointing is the Holy Spirit which all believers are to receive. For it is the Spirit who leads, who teaches, who enables, to bring every believer into the images of Christ…

Sincerely in Christ
Barelohim.
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Barelohim,

How do you reconcile the bold with Jesus saying “I will send another Paraclete”?
 
JonNC said:
What does this mean? I mean,the bolded sounds like something contrary to the doctrine of the Trinity, unless I misunderstand…

Jon
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Jesus came as one born of the flesh through Mary… But after His ascension, He returned to abide within the believers, not just to be with the believers… This is what He promised His disciples… And He kept His promise as one reads in Acts 1 and 2.

God is a Spirit, and dwelt in a flesh body singularly . He now abides in His body corporately!

Sincerely In Christ
Barelohim.
 
CopticChristian said:
Barelohim,

How do you reconcile the bold with Jesus saying “I will send another Paraclete”?
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He is the paraclete, the comforter the advocate, the counselor, the great physican, the good shepherd, He IS, the Holy Spirit, the Father, the Brother, the Bridegroom, the Healer, the enabler, He is the All in All… The Dove, the Eagle, The bullock, the Lion, the Lamb.

Sincerely In Christ Jesus
Barelohim.
 
Barelohim said:
He is the paraclete, the comforter the advocate, the counselor, the great physican, the good shepherd, He IS, the Holy Spirit, the Father, the Brother, the Bridegroom, the Healer, the enabler, He is the All in All… The Dove, the Eagle, The bullock, the Lion, the Lamb.

Sincerely In Christ Jesus
Barelohim.
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Bare,

Kind of lost me there…He is the Father…He is The Holy Spirit…now I am not sure how that works and I am sure that someone brighter than me can fit this into some sort of past notion of God prior to councils on the Trinity…this is not my strong suit…but I think it is somewhat different than the Trinity…
 
CopticChristian said:
Bare,

Kind of lost me there…He is the Father…He is The Holy Spirit…now I am not sure how that works and I am sure that someone brighter than me can fit this into some sort of past notion of God prior to councils on the Trinity…this is not my strong suit…but I think it is somewhat different than the Trinity…
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[He scurries to find his copies of the Athanasian Creed and the First council of Nicea.]

Jon
 
Wait! Hold on! Y’all Are losing me…which church was jesus referring to in Matthew 16:18 ??..

That’s the church I wanna be a part of! Haha…I went to mass this morning and it felt great! But I’m a man who wants truth…not just good feelings…
 
Gorillaman said:
Wait! Hold on! Y’all Are losing me…which church was jesus referring to in Matthew 16:18 ??..

That’s the church I wanna be a part of! Haha…I went to mass this morning and it felt great! But I’m a man who wants truth…not just good feelings…
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Did you hear the word and receive the sacraments? Yes? That’s the Church He was referring to.

Did our Eastern Orthodox siblings hear the word and receive the sacraments? ditto

I heard the word (we celebrated the Festival of St Mary Magdelene), and received the sacraments, too.

Jon
 
Barelohim said:
Quite clear, that the church you speak of isn’t our mother according to sola scriptora!.
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Ok…see this is what I’m talking about sola scriptura…idk what that is or how that works, does that mean he bible is divine?
 
JonNC said:
I’m a member of a communion that practices sola scriptura and I don’t know what Bare means, either. 🤷

Jon
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Jon,

Now you know that I respect you. But please understand that you were not paying attention. Bare made it known in one of these posts that the denominations have just missed the mark. I will forgive you since it may be on another thread and when I find it I will produce it…

Bare with Bare…
 
JonNC said:
Did you hear the word and receive the sacraments? Yes? That’s the Church He was referring to.

Did our Eastern Orthodox siblings hear the word and receive the sacraments? ditto

I heard the word (we celebrated the Festival of St Mary Magdelene), and received the sacraments, too.

Jon
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Ok, thank you…sorry if I sound like a mule, but i keep hearing that the church I attend is based on Peter, as the rock and it makes sense historically and logically…

Maybe I just need to take a history class…haha.

One thing I know is that Jesus is obviously not contained to one church…he’s too big for that…but I do think he started A church…

Seriously, gracias.

I really needed to hear this.
 
CopticChristian said:
Jon,

Now you know that I respect you. But please understand that you were not paying attention. Bare made it known in one of these posts that the denominations have just missed the mark. I will forgive you since it may be on another thread and when I find it I will produce it…

Bare with Bare…
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I respect you, too, and I can bare with Bare, but he isn’t practicing sola scriptura. He’s practicing individual interpretation, which is quite different.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
I respect you, too, and I can bare with Bare, but he isn’t practicing sola scriptura. He’s practicing individual interpretation, which is quite different.

Jon
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Ok so then what is sola scriptura? I’m not saying it’s interpretation either…I’m just unclear on the definition…
 
Gorillaman said:
Ok so then what is sola scriptura? I’m not saying it’s interpretation either…I’m just unclear on the definition…
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From a Lutheran perspective, it is the practice of holding all teachers, teachings, doctrines, etc., accountable to scripture, which is the final norm. Effectively, it is a hermeunetic practice, and since hermeuneitcs is practiced by the Church, it isn’t practiced by individuals. This is, of course, concerning doctrine.
For Lutherans, when it comes to doctrine, we are bound to church teaching the Lutheran Confessions, the ancient creeds and early councils. Outside of doctrine, Lutherans may practice individual interpretation.
So, for example, marian beliefs. Holy Theotokos is doctrine. Lutherans confess that the Blessed Virgin is truly the mother of God. The Assumption is not doctrine, but a pious belief that Lutherans may (but not required) affirm.

Jon
 
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