Arguing With Prejudiced People:

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Recently I’ve been arguing ALOT with people prejudiced against the Catholic faith. Normally I wouldn’t be arguing so much, especially with the intellectual-styled person who can carry out a discussion and say “kudos to you” when he knows he’s been beaten. Personally, I find great virtue in humility, so when I lose, I simply say “You’ve made some great points! I’ll look into that further!” 🙂 or “I suppose your right. Thank you for clarrifying that for me.” -Because I realize I’m fallible, I’m human, I don’t have all the answers. However, the prejudice anti-Catholics I’ve come into contact recently use the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over, that I have CLEARLY refuted… A couple of my arguments are found in a series of threads I’m making here on CAF called, “Proving the Church is Not the Harlot.” Honestely, it gets tiresome getting constantly insulted, and frankly, arguing with a brick wall. It’s litterally like trying to convince a Nazi your NOT a social parasite if you’re a Jew. I tend to notice that these anti-Catholic proponents seem to have a self-justifying mindset, where every whim and perception they have is the reality of the situation. It vexes me deeply. I never get aggressive or outraged, but I do try and take our Lord’s advice and not “give to dogs what is sacred.” However, I feel I cannot just run from the good fight… Reason simply SHOULD NOT be drowned out with insane rants… Has anyone ever delt with these kinds of situations before? What is mmy best bet? Should I call this sort of mindset early-on in the conversation, and simply say, “Listen, (brother,) I would like to continue an openmined discussion with you concerning these matters. However, I feel that you need to harken your heart, as I am willing to do so for you. You need to understand that this could result in either one of us being wrong, including me. We are both ceceptible to fallibility, we shouldn’t exhalt our perceptions over everything around us…”
If there is ANYONE out there who has found a sufficient method of dealing with people like this PLEASE INFORM ME.

Thank you, CAF, and God bless all of you here…
 
Recently I’ve been arguing ALOT with people prejudiced against the Catholic faith. Normally I wouldn’t be arguing so much, especially with the intellectual-styled person who can carry out a discussion and say “kudos to you” when he knows he’s been beaten. Personally, I find great virtue in humility, so when I lose, I simply say “You’ve made some great points! I’ll look into that further!” 🙂 or “I suppose your right. Thank you for clarrifying that for me.” -Because I realize I’m fallible, I’m human, I don’t have all the answers. However, the prejudice anti-Catholics I’ve come into contact recently use the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over, that I have CLEARLY refuted… A couple of my arguments are found in a series of threads I’m making here on CAF called, “Proving the Church is Not the Harlot.” Honestely, it gets tiresome getting constantly insulted, and frankly, arguing with a brick wall. It’s litterally like trying to convince a Nazi your NOT a social parasite if you’re a Jew. I tend to notice that these anti-Catholic proponents seem to have a self-justifying mindset, where every whim and perception they have is the reality of the situation. It vexes me deeply. I never get aggressive or outraged, but I do try and take our Lord’s advice and not “give to dogs what is sacred.” However, I feel I cannot just run from the good fight… Reason simply SHOULD NOT be drowned out with insane rants… Has anyone ever delt with these kinds of situations before? What is mmy best bet? Should I call this sort of mindset early-on in the conversation, and simply say, “Listen, (brother,) I would like to continue an openmined discussion with you concerning these matters. However, I feel that you need to harken your heart, as I am willing to do so for you. You need to understand that this could result in either one of us being wrong, including me. We are both ceceptible to fallibility, we shouldn’t exhalt our perceptions over everything around us…”
If there is ANYONE out there who has found a sufficient method of dealing with people like this PLEASE INFORM ME.

Thank you, CAF, and God bless all of you here…
ask questions, dont give answers. begin your questions by WHY. Discover his flaws. But we had communists in Portugal and you could not discuss with them. Their chir was Cunhal whom we called the Tape-Cunhal, because he endlessly repeated the same sentences no matter whether you were talking about swimming or about the theory of realtivity.

remeber: you cannot discuss with an answering machine.

S. Igantius had a funny story. Never discuss with a smoker the bad effects of smoking. If you give him 1000 arguments, he will have 1001. But if you can make him quit smoking, by deceipt or otherwise, he will become a fanatic anti-smoker. Freud later explained that.
Cheers.🙂
 
Sometimes you just need to not take the bait, let prejudiced people be prejudiced, and move on.
 
Christ told us what to do: shake the dust from your sandals. There are people who are so set in their mind that a mere human being cannot change their minds, so it’s not worth your getting all wrapped up in this sort of thing.
 
It sounds like these debates really upset you. I wonder if you should just step away and not get engaged. Are these on-line discussions or in real life? Because you can simply decide not to visit certain anti-Catholic forums anymore, for your own peace. However, if these discussions happen in your family or among friends, it is more difficult to deal with it. It sounds like you are doing a great job. But as one poster put it, you can’t argue with an answering machine. That is so true. I’ve discussed over and over again matters of faith with extremely ignorant and prejudiced family members and it never made a difference. (My late grandmother insisted on asking me every time I visited if I seriously believed that the pope is sinless. Every. Single. Time. For 15 years of me being Catholic.)
You can’t win.

However, don’t see that as defeat. Jesus told us not to watse time on people who refuse to listen. Instead you can ask people questions, why tyhey believe certain things and suggests why they could be wrong. It might make them think, even if they don’t admit that.

But most importantly. don’t let it get to you. Don’t take it personally.
 
Sometimes you just need to not take the bait, let prejudiced people be prejudiced, and move on.
Agreed. I find it’s not worth the energy. 👍
 
(My late grandmother insisted on asking me every time I visited if I seriously believed that the pope is sinless. Every. Single. Time. For 15 years of me being Catholic.)
You can’t win.

However, don’t see that as defeat. Jesus told us not to watse time on people who refuse to listen. Instead you can ask people questions, why tyhey believe certain things and suggests why they could be wrong. It might make them think, even if they don’t admit that.

But most importantly. don’t let it get to you. Don’t take it personally.
Lol, I don’t let it get to me. 🙂 I often take pride in the fact that I’m sane and their not. It just dissappoints me that they shut their ears to truth, because Jesus IS the truth… They don’t realize that they betray their savior in their intellectual dishonesty. 😦

Also, I don’t mean to de-rail my own thread, but is that true? The Pope is supposed to be sinless? I thought St. Peter denied Christ three times before the rooster crowed? And what about the Bourges? ← Or however you spell that…
 
Also, I don’t mean to de-rail my own thread, but is that true? The Pope is supposed to be sinless? I thought St. Peter denied Christ three times before the rooster crowed? And what about the Bourges? ← Or however you spell that…
No. Infallible when speaking about matters of faith and dogma. Different thing altogether. But my granny loved to persist in her intellectual dishonesty and pretend I never explained it to her. Just like the people you’re dealing with. They have their own reasons for that and it is not your fault. To get back to that issue: try to put pride away. Yes, they are dishonest and you are trying to help them. However, you can’t make people accept things. You really can’t. Conversion of others is not something we can achieve. The Holy Spirit does that and we help along the way. You are an instrument for God, evangelising those who don’t know Him. You can talk and argue with people but you can’t make them accept it. If Jesus was rejected by people he spoke to, who are we to expect a better result?
 
Recently I’ve been arguing ALOT with people prejudiced against the Catholic faith. Normally I wouldn’t be arguing so much, especially with the intellectual-styled person who can carry out a discussion and say “kudos to you” when he knows he’s been beaten. Personally, I find great virtue in humility, so when I lose, I simply say “You’ve made some great points! I’ll look into that further!” 🙂 or “I suppose your right. Thank you for clarrifying that for me.” -Because I realize I’m fallible, I’m human, I don’t have all the answers. However, the prejudice anti-Catholics I’ve come into contact recently use the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over, that I have CLEARLY refuted… A couple of my arguments are found in a series of threads I’m making here on CAF called, “Proving the Church is Not the Harlot.” Honestely, it gets tiresome getting constantly insulted, and frankly, arguing with a brick wall. It’s litterally like trying to convince a Nazi your NOT a social parasite if you’re a Jew. I tend to notice that these anti-Catholic proponents seem to have a self-justifying mindset, where every whim and perception they have is the reality of the situation. It vexes me deeply. I never get aggressive or outraged, but I do try and take our Lord’s advice and not “give to dogs what is sacred.” However, I feel I cannot just run from the good fight… Reason simply SHOULD NOT be drowned out with insane rants… Has anyone ever delt with these kinds of situations before? What is mmy best bet? Should I call this sort of mindset early-on in the conversation, and simply say, “Listen, (brother,) I would like to continue an openmined discussion with you concerning these matters. However, I feel that you need to harken your heart, as I am willing to do so for you. You need to understand that this could result in either one of us being wrong, including me. We are both ceceptible to fallibility, we shouldn’t exhalt our perceptions over everything around us…”
If there is ANYONE out there who has found a sufficient method of dealing with people like this PLEASE INFORM ME.

Thank you, CAF, and God bless all of you here…
Yes, I too find myself getting frustrated (sometimes sinfully angry :() with the willful ignorance, bigotry, hypocrisy, and crudeness of my opponents, although I generally find myself trying to convert atheists, not Protestants.

If there is clearly no hope for awakening someone to the truth, it might be best simply to wash your hands of it – obviously no good will come, and if you work yourself up into an angry rage, you’ll just feel bad about it later. But if you can manage to control your frustration, it might be worthwhile to keep debating, just so that others can see the truth of your words.
 
=MrZetterlund;8049756]Recently I’ve been arguing ALOT with people prejudiced against the Catholic faith. Normally I wouldn’t be arguing so much, especially with the intellectual-styled person who can carry out a discussion and say “kudos to you” when he knows he’s been beaten. Personally, I find great virtue in humility, so when I lose, I simply say “You’ve made some great points! I’ll look into that further!” 🙂 or “I suppose your right. Thank you for clarrifying that for me.” -Because I realize I’m fallible, I’m human, I don’t have all the answers. However, the prejudice anti-Catholics I’ve come into contact recently use the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over, that I have CLEARLY refuted… A couple of my arguments are found in a series of threads I’m making here on CAF called, “Proving the Church is Not the Harlot.” Honestely, it gets tiresome getting constantly insulted, and frankly, arguing with a brick wall. It’s litterally like trying to convince a Nazi your NOT a social parasite if you’re a Jew. I tend to notice that these anti-Catholic proponents seem to have a self-justifying mindset, where every whim and perception they have is the reality of the situation. It vexes me deeply. I never get aggressive or outraged, but I do try and take our Lord’s advice and not “give to dogs what is sacred.” However, I feel I cannot just run from the good fight… Reason simply SHOULD NOT be drowned out with insane rants… Has anyone ever delt with these kinds of situations before? What is mmy best bet? Should I call this sort of mindset early-on in the conversation, and simply say, “Listen, (brother,) I would like to continue an openmined discussion with you concerning these matters. However, I feel that you need to harken your heart, as I am willing to do so for you. You need to understand that this could result in either one of us being wrong, including me. We are both ceceptible to fallibility, we shouldn’t exhalt our perceptions over everything around us…”
If there is ANYONE out there who has found a sufficient method of dealing with people like this PLEASE INFORM ME.
Thank you, CAF, and God bless all of you here…
The CODE of Canon Law PROHIBITS us from Forcing anyone to agree with us. Faith is a GIFT requires God’s GRACE. So Argue…NO. Debate…maybe… Dicusss YEA!

IF you don’t know our faith well enough to defend it; it would be good to FIRST learn not only what we beleieve BUT WHY we can and Do believe it. TRUTH and God are on our side.

First: KNOW our faith
Second: LIVE it openly for ALL to see
Third: Share it WHEN GOD presents the opportunity with extreme charity:)

Are there any specific issues your stuck on? let me know, I can assist you.

God Bless you my friend,
Pat
 
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