Argument against the Rosary

[crazzeto]

I think that is a core fallacy that needs to be addressed. Once it is established to be a falsehood, all credibility that one might see in the 15 promises will be washed away.

I’m going to expand where I left off in my last post which was dealing with the first sentence in promise number 6 - “Whoever recites my Rosary devoutly reflecting on the mysteries, shall never be overwhelmed by misfortune.” As I stated in my last post, God doesn’t even offer us a promise like that. In fact, Jesus said the opposite in John 16:32 - "In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” It is God who is with us as believers in time of trouble and while He will not always take away our afflictions and woes, He is with us and we can count on Him to be there for us. He is our shelter in the storm and He cares for us like no other.

Psalm 46:
" 1 God is our refuge and strength,
A very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore we will not fear,
Even though the earth be removed,
And though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
3 Though its waters roar and be troubled,
Though the mountains shake with its swelling. Selah"

Fairlady, you’ve gone and repated the same exact error which I pointed out to you in my original posting. Again, you assume a number of falsehoods.

1. The Virgin Mary made these promises, that is in her own right outside of God. This is not possible, as I have told you. God made the promise these promises, too anyone who prays the rosary which is a devotion that has a Marian nature to besure. But like any genuine devotion, it doesn’t take much study to find Christ at the heart of it.

With regard to John 16:32, I have the following:

ISV:

Joh 16:32 Listen, the hour is coming, indeed it has already come, when you will be scattered, each of you to his own home, and you will leave me alone. Yet I am not alone, for the Father is with me.

Douay

Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, and it is now come, that you shall be scattered every man to his own and shall leave me alone. And yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

KJV

Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

ESV

Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour is coming, indeed it has come, when you will be scattered, each to his own home, and will leave me alone. Yet I am not alone, for the Father is with me.

Which version of the bible are you using so I can review your scripture in context? Or perhaps you got the book/chapter/verse wrong?

Amen and amen! Let us always look to God alone in the spiritual realm as our refuge and strength and as our help. There is no other!

Have you noticed in the 15 promises of the rosary, that not once does Mary’s imposter point to Jesus Christ? The imposter points to Mary and to the rosary. There is mention of the name of Jesus once in promise 13, but the main focus is on Mary (or her impersonator).

The Rosary as a whole points to Christ Fairlady, all of it points directly to Christ directly down to the very naming of it. “Rosary” of course referse to roses, which of course points to the Marian character of the devotion. What you pray is a Chaplet, or a plaited crown of roses, which of course is a direct reference to the crown of thornes worn by Christ. When you pray you start with the Lords prayer, and end each decade with the Glory be (to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit…). Before you pray a decade, you reflect upon the scriptures associated with the decade, subjects such as the nativity, conception, ministry and passion of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Pardon me, but what you wrote makes as much sense as Luthers introduction to the book of Revelation which states “Christ is neither taught nor known in it”. Please…

We need to always go to God’s Word for what is truth. There isn’t even a hint in scripture that the rosary should be a part of the Christian’s life and the 15 promises argue against what God did give us in scripture.

Which is exactly what you do while praying the Rosary… You go there, with the Mother of Christ as your own personal guide. If you wish to try and discover Christ with out such a guide then by all means go for it, as someone else stated it’s not a sin to try and do this per-se… But by denying your self the oppertunity to discover Christ with his mother guiding you is well just, sillyness if you ask me. But hey, that’s just my own personal opinion.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Throughout history Catholics have adapted pagan and heathen practices only to incorporate them one way or another into Christianity. Why should prayer be any different?

Mt. 6 is speaking to the type of prayer Catholics have developed in an effort to make it easy for people of the world (ie pagans and heathens) feel more at home.

Prayer should not be a mere ritual, nor should it be read from a book. As if repetitive phrases makes it more effective - do you really think God needs to hear it more than once, when “he knows what we need before we even ask”??

I find it sad that people think forgiveness of sin can be made up by repeating a bunch of words over and over - as if that is the true quality of repentance. The Catholic Church is a church for the masses. Mt. 7:13

I suppose then you would never say the Our Father (which Jesus told us to pray) because it is ‘found in a book’ and ‘read from a book’.

Oh, and where does it say in Scripture, in the EXACT WORDS you give, that ‘prayer should not be a mere ritual’ nor ‘read from a book’ (uh, you know, what ARE you going to do about the psalms, for example? WHat do you think THEY are?) and WHAT makes you qualified to state that Catholic prayers ARE ‘mere ritual’ anyway? They are not.

IF Catholics thought that forgiveness of sin could be achieved with repeating a bunch of words you’d be right to correct them. . but we do not. You have made a strawman and are attacking it. Please cease. Address what Catholics actually teach, not your falsified ideas.

 

[panevino]

Mt. 6:5-8

5 “And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.[a] 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8 “Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.

KJ

Mat 26:44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.

Rev4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about [him]; and [they were] full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Early church writting the didache suggests saying the “our father”
3 times a day

 

[panevino]

David,

Would you rather i use the term molten image? Several instances occur where the bible writer used a few terms to clarify ANY image…however it was created.

Psalm 19 They made a calf in Horeb, and worshipped the molten image…21 They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt;

Exo25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims [of] gold, [of] beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

Ezek41:1 Afterward he brought me to the temple, and measured the posts, six cubits broad on the one side, and six cubits broad on the other side, [which was] the breadth of the tabernacle…18 And [it was] made with cherubims and palm trees, so that a palm tree [was] between a cherub and a cherub; and [every] cherub had two faces;…19 So that the face of a man [was] toward the palm tree on the one side, and the face of a young lion toward the palm tree on the other side: [it was] made through all the house round about…

1king6:35 And he carved [thereon] cherubims and palm trees and open flowers: and covered [them] with gold fitted upon the carved work.
1kings9:. 3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.