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adamhovey1988
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That station failed at journalism. Hispanics and Latinos can be both black and white. the fact the United States is a country, where the majority of the population don’t even know how the US Census defines race disappoints me.[Hispanic Origin]
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Peeps
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I live in Northern Illinois in a city within commuting distance of Chicago.
On the east side of our city, 25% of the residents work in Chicago and the suburbs.
A lot of people, mainly white, but professionals of all races, move out Chicago into cities like ours because the $500,000.00 that in Chicago will buy them a two bedroom flat built in the 1950s with a one-car garage under the flat, and a crowded neighborhood, will, in our city, buy them a 5-bedroom, 5.5 bathroom mansion with a three-car garage or bigger, a mother-in-law suite, a pool, a home theater, a lawn big enough to build another house on, and a neighborhood with jogging paths, a park, and near big grocery stores instead of little urban convenient markets!
I don’t think it’s “segregation.” I think it’s a failure of African Americans to take hold of and embrace the capitalism that makes up the U.S. economic system.
This means putting everything you’ve got into acquiring the best education you can afford (which might mean public schools, but you can still do a lot of work on your own even if your schools and teachers are inadequate. And above all else, it means graduating with a high school diploma. Without that diploma, you are doomed to spend your life on welfare while living in a very poor house.
It means staying free of addictions, including opoids, weed, alcohol, and even smoking (smokes cost a lot of money that could go towards paying a bus ticket to the local library to study harder).
It means staying OUT of street gangs, or at least minimizing criminal involvement. I know that most of the kids who live in urban areas of Chicago are required to join a gang. That’s tough and I’m not sure what the answer to that is.
And it means accepting the U.S. economic system in which people get a job or jobs, collect a paycheck, and pay their own way, and continue doing this from the time they are in their early 20s until they are at last 65 years old–45 years of working at a job. That means from childhood, a person should be thinking in terms of “What will I do to earn a living?” and doing what needs to be done to make sure they will be able to get that job when they are old enough.
I think there are many legitimate reasons why many African Americans have not bought into this whole system. It has not been that many generations since the ending of the Civil War and the travesty of “Reconstruction.” Many black families have a grandparent or great-grandparent who was lynched, unjustly imprisoned, or abused by whites in some way. Almost all black families have family members who were denied schooling, a job, a home, admittance into a theater or store, or even a church–simply because they are black–this isn’t something that happened 200 years ago–it happened recently and it’s still happening!
So it’s no wonder African Americans are wary about embracing a system that has enslaved, tortured, and murdered their people over the decades!
But now at least they have U.S. and local laws on their side, and I hope that more African American’s will embrace our U.S. economic system.
On the east side of our city, 25% of the residents work in Chicago and the suburbs.
A lot of people, mainly white, but professionals of all races, move out Chicago into cities like ours because the $500,000.00 that in Chicago will buy them a two bedroom flat built in the 1950s with a one-car garage under the flat, and a crowded neighborhood, will, in our city, buy them a 5-bedroom, 5.5 bathroom mansion with a three-car garage or bigger, a mother-in-law suite, a pool, a home theater, a lawn big enough to build another house on, and a neighborhood with jogging paths, a park, and near big grocery stores instead of little urban convenient markets!
I don’t think it’s “segregation.” I think it’s a failure of African Americans to take hold of and embrace the capitalism that makes up the U.S. economic system.
This means putting everything you’ve got into acquiring the best education you can afford (which might mean public schools, but you can still do a lot of work on your own even if your schools and teachers are inadequate. And above all else, it means graduating with a high school diploma. Without that diploma, you are doomed to spend your life on welfare while living in a very poor house.
It means staying free of addictions, including opoids, weed, alcohol, and even smoking (smokes cost a lot of money that could go towards paying a bus ticket to the local library to study harder).
It means staying OUT of street gangs, or at least minimizing criminal involvement. I know that most of the kids who live in urban areas of Chicago are required to join a gang. That’s tough and I’m not sure what the answer to that is.
And it means accepting the U.S. economic system in which people get a job or jobs, collect a paycheck, and pay their own way, and continue doing this from the time they are in their early 20s until they are at last 65 years old–45 years of working at a job. That means from childhood, a person should be thinking in terms of “What will I do to earn a living?” and doing what needs to be done to make sure they will be able to get that job when they are old enough.
I think there are many legitimate reasons why many African Americans have not bought into this whole system. It has not been that many generations since the ending of the Civil War and the travesty of “Reconstruction.” Many black families have a grandparent or great-grandparent who was lynched, unjustly imprisoned, or abused by whites in some way. Almost all black families have family members who were denied schooling, a job, a home, admittance into a theater or store, or even a church–simply because they are black–this isn’t something that happened 200 years ago–it happened recently and it’s still happening!
So it’s no wonder African Americans are wary about embracing a system that has enslaved, tortured, and murdered their people over the decades!
But now at least they have U.S. and local laws on their side, and I hope that more African American’s will embrace our U.S. economic system.
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Augustinian
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75 years ago, blacks were in the middle of a “great migration” to Chicago to pursue careers in industry. The age of immigration from Europe was over by the early 1920’s.
Neighborhoods just don’t remain stable- they change constantly as far as the groups inhabiting them as well as their socioeconomic status and ethnic status.
Just labeling something as “bad”, as “white flight” , is actually pretty lazy and pointless.
Relating to the Catholic Church, how many of us live in cities with Slovak or Croat parishes in existence? Not so many, these institutions have largely dispersed as the communities they serve have dispersed as well, sometimes racial minorities moving in to supplant them.
Here in Pittsburgh, there is a church in the ghetto on Webster Ave with Hebrew script chiseled into the granite, it was built as a synagogue. Another building, built as a Catholic church a hundred years ago is now in a Jewish community and serves as a yeshiva.
Neighborhoods just don’t remain stable- they change constantly as far as the groups inhabiting them as well as their socioeconomic status and ethnic status.
Just labeling something as “bad”, as “white flight” , is actually pretty lazy and pointless.
Relating to the Catholic Church, how many of us live in cities with Slovak or Croat parishes in existence? Not so many, these institutions have largely dispersed as the communities they serve have dispersed as well, sometimes racial minorities moving in to supplant them.
Here in Pittsburgh, there is a church in the ghetto on Webster Ave with Hebrew script chiseled into the granite, it was built as a synagogue. Another building, built as a Catholic church a hundred years ago is now in a Jewish community and serves as a yeshiva.
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exnihilo
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Whoa there. I was told it was only evil southerners who were racists. Northerners loved everyone equally. Certainly the above can’t be true?After World War II, whites began moving to the suburbs, and the restrictive covenants that had prohibited blacks from living in most neighborhoods were struck down by the courts.
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Augustinian
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you are apparently too young to remember when southerners weren’t thoroughly demonized.Whoa there. I was told it was only evil southerners who were racists. Northerners loved everyone equally.
The current talking point that segregation was a strictly southern phenomenon is actually pretty silly to those of us who remember the 1960’s
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exnihilo
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True. Unfortunately the modern lies go unchallenged and a lie becomes reality when everyone agrees with it.
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Inisfallen
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I don’t know who told you that, but I haven’t seen many (or any) make the claim here at CAF that racism only existed in the American South, or that the northern part of the country was free of racism.Whoa there. I was told it was only evil southerners who were racists. Northerners loved everyone equally.
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exnihilo
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Any time Jim Crow, segregation or anything else racist is mentioned people say things like ‘in the South’. Of course they don’t directly say racism only existed in the South. But they imply, through omission, that the South was uniquely racist.
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Sunbreak
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Things are not that simple as the article tells it. As people became better off they would naturally want to go for newer homes in the suburbs. It doesn’t necessary mean they were racist.
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Annie
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I’m sure many blacks would also move to the suburbs if they could.
In fact, I live in the suburbs of a large city. The city is known for mostly terrible public schools, and a lot of the people around where I live live there precisely because the schools are better, the neighborhoods safer, and a lot of the people who live out here are black.
@Peeps However, many African Americans still start from behind the starting line because of redlining after WW2, which rendered their GI benefits in terms of housing null. They couldn’t move to many areas because of restrictive covenants, and it was very difficult to impossible for them to get a mortgage in an area where they could buy a house.
Thus, many white families have a base of wealth which was denied to black families, a problem which still affects the latter.
In fact, I live in the suburbs of a large city. The city is known for mostly terrible public schools, and a lot of the people around where I live live there precisely because the schools are better, the neighborhoods safer, and a lot of the people who live out here are black.
@Peeps However, many African Americans still start from behind the starting line because of redlining after WW2, which rendered their GI benefits in terms of housing null. They couldn’t move to many areas because of restrictive covenants, and it was very difficult to impossible for them to get a mortgage in an area where they could buy a house.
Thus, many white families have a base of wealth which was denied to black families, a problem which still affects the latter.
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