Article: Consolation versus Desolation

[Robertanthony]

In one way it is our system as well, for we are still doing wrong. And wrong begets wrong.

If there were no wrong in the world it would be wonderful. No keys or jails. Employers would treat employees with fairness and kindness. No lieing cheating or stealing. Fraud would be non existent. Bills would be paid. Schools would be peaceful. Kids would treat each other well. No drunkenness, or adultery. Families would be strong. Prices would be fair. Need I go on? It would be almost heaven on earth.

So we share in the mess. But we look forward to the resurrection when all will be right.

May God our Father give you grace and peace.

No, I was talking more in terms of people who’ve been treated harshly by life, who are convinced that God is against them, and who will go where people who die thinking God is against them go (i.e. eternal torture chamber). Adam is in Heaven, Ricardo lopez in hell, but none of the things Lopez battled (hypogonadism, depression, being a social outcast, deep-seated sense of inadequacy and inferiority, probably psychiatric condition, heart wrenching loneliness) could have been made possible without Adam’s “happy fault”. “Was it an act of love for God to will poor Ricardo into existence” type of thing. God is happy, Adam is happy, Lopez, the unfortunate recipient of God’s “gift” of life, is not. Nor will he ever be. That’s the system I was referring to. Adam is a rich man’s kid who got away with murder, Ricardo was the poor man’s bastard child abandoned at birth, every single thing that brought affliction to his life can be traced to Adam. It’s infuriating how God can casually send a soul to eternal misery with no afterthought, now he can resume being supremely happy, now that his justice is satisfied. There’s something that is not right about that system. I’m here because my fool of a dad turned his back on his vocation and met my mom. I’m also here because God gave my dad the ability to procreate. There’s something unsettling and deeply troubling about someone insisting to will into being someone who will be miserable in both this life and in the next. Even I was stupid enough to not stop the curse at myself and to bring another misery into this world, my only excuse being that I’m not pre-scient (i.e. I don’t know the future). My naivety led me to believe that “being wonderfully and fearfully made” p) meant “being wonderfully and fearfully made”.God has no such excuse. Quite honestly, the goodness and wisdom of God totally escape me. But God is supremely happy surrounded by his choir of worshipping angels and saints, and that’s what really counts, our master’s happiness. What’s a few million souls agonizing for eternity in hell when you see God’s smile? When you’re suffering in hell, at least you have the satisfaction to know that your agony and misery satisfy God’s justice, it must be an awesome relief. Quite a touching and delicate attention from God.

I’m positive you believe the sugar-coated lie that God is actually extremely magnanimous in keeping souls in hell, because they just couldn’t bear to be in Heaven. Whatever floats your boat, fred.

P.S. In God’s world, being born without a face or without a brain, or with one eye socket instead of two, or with your nose missing is still being “fearfully and wonderfully made”. There was a guy back in HS who made it no mystery that he thought I was a joke, loser, pathetic. That son of a gun, God didn’t botch him. Every one would agree he was carefully and wondefully made. Only through God’s mystification am I “fearfully and carefully made”, which, in reality, in the fact-based world, means the exact opposite.

 

[fred_conty]

No, I was talking more in terms of people who’ve been treated harshly by life, who are convinced that God is against them, and who will go where people who die thinking God is against them go (i.e. eternal torture chamber). Adam is in Heaven, Ricardo lopez in hell, but none of the things Lopez battled (hypogonadism, depression, being a social outcast, deep-seated sense of inadequacy and inferiority, probably psychiatric condition, heart wrenching loneliness) could have been made possible without Adam’s “happy fault”. “Was it an act of love for God to will poor Ricardo into existence” type of thing. God is happy, Adam is happy, Lopez, the unfortunate recipient of God’s “gift” of life, is not. Nor will he ever be. That’s the system I was referring to. Adam is a rich man’s kid who got away with murder, Ricardo was the poor man’s bastard child abandoned at birth, every single thing that brought affliction to his life can be traced to Adam. It’s infuriating how God can casually send a soul to eternal misery with no afterthought, now he can resume being supremely happy, now that his justice is satisfied. There’s something that is not right about that system. I’m here because my fool of a dad turned his back on his vocation and met my mom. I’m also here because God gave my dad the ability to procreate. There’s something unsettling and deeply troubling about someone insisting to will into being someone who will be miserable in both this life and in the next. Even I was stupid enough to not stop the curse at myself and to bring another misery into this world, my only excuse being that I’m not pre-scient (i.e. I don’t know the future). My naivety led me to believe that “being wonderfully and fearfully made” p) meant “being wonderfully and fearfully made”.God has no such excuse. Quite honestly, the goodness and wisdom of God totally escape me. But God is supremely happy surrounded by his choir of worshipping angels and saints, and that’s what really counts, our master’s happiness. What’s a few million souls agonizing for eternity in hell when you see God’s smile? When you’re suffering in hell, at least you have the satisfaction to know that your agony and misery satisfy God’s justice, it must be an awesome relief. Quite a touching and delicate attention from God.

I’m positive you believe the sugar-coated lie that God is actually extremely magnanimous in keeping souls in hell, because they just couldn’t bear to be in Heaven. Whatever floats your boat, fred.

P.S. In God’s world, being born without a face or without a brain, or with one eye socket instead of two, or with your nose missing is still being “fearfully and wonderfully made”. There was a guy back in HS who made it no mystery that he thought I was a joke, loser, pathetic. That son of a gun, God didn’t botch him. Every one would agree he was carefully and wondefully made. Only through God’s mystification am I “fearfully and carefully made”, which, in reality, in the fact-based world, means the exact opposite.

Thank you for your response.

I would say that being mistreated is just what I mentioned before about sin. If there were no sin, the world would be a very nice place to live, and people would treat each other with dignity and goodness. There is an old saying that goes something like this, “Christianity dosen’t work, because Christianity has never been tried.” If people did not sin, they would be treating you well and giving you the kind of attention you deserve. I regret this very much, that you have had such a bad time, especially from others. But again, things would be quite different if sin disappeared from our lives. And this legacy is what Jesus left us…love one another. What would the world be in one year if this were tried by everyone?

It is hard to think that anyone is in hell, though there are. Which leads me to the same thought as above…sin will stop and love will reign. And those that refuse to love the right way and do not reject the wrong way have, in a sense, already begun their unhappiness. And whatever and wherever we are now will just continue in the hereafter.

But anyone who wishes to start loving and stop their sinning can do so by grace.

Just one more thought. We do not know the circumstances and obsticles that anyone else must face. And so for that reason, some who seem to be so vile will not be judged in the same way that those who have had many blessings. We may very well be amazed at the final outcome.

May God our Father give you grace and peace.

 

[SecretaryMonday]

The saddest and most tragic part about the Fall though is the millions of people who will have gone through life convinced that God was against them and treated him accordingly, died to find an angry judge eager to destroy them body and soul, with eternal misery to contemplate.

Maybe there are millions of people who hate the god of their imagination, a god that Heaven hates too?