Ascension and Christ's Physical Body

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The Feast of the Ascension is the Sunday and I’m confused.
When he became man Jesus really became man. He had a body, ate, grew, could die, etc.
After the resurrection he still had a real physical body. Thomas could touch his wounds and he could eat. But his body was greatly transformed to where he could appear and disappear and couldn’t always be recognized.
What is his condition after the Ascension? Does he still have a physical body? Obviously the body of a 33 year old Jewish many isn’t floating in space, but I mean is his body in the same glorified state it was after the resurrection or has something else happened, has it been transformed to a great extent?
 
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runnerryan:
The Feast of the Ascension is the Sunday and I’m confused.
When he became man Jesus really became man. He had a body, ate, grew, could die, etc.
After the resurrection he still had a real physical body. Thomas could touch his wounds and he could eat. But his body was greatly transformed to where he could appear and disappear and couldn’t always be recognized.
What is his condition after the Ascension? Does he still have a physical body? Obviously the body of a 33 year old Jewish many isn’t floating in space, but I mean is his body in the same glorified state it was after the resurrection or has something else happened, has it been transformed to a great extent?
Yup, he still has a physical, glorified body. It’s not something we’re going to know everything about, but it shows how we are going to be part of a new creation when our bodies are resurrected, like Jesus, Mary, Elijah, Enoch & others, but on a different timeline. But particulars as to how Christ’s body relates to ordinary matter and time are not completely clear. It’s not limited by ordinary matter and can be multilocal in the Eucharist.

Since his body was also in the Eucharist at the Last Supper, his body is also superior to the limitations of time. But since God is outside of time and exists in the Eternal Now, this amazing feat is no biggie for Him.

Gn 5:24 (Hb 11:5) - Enoch taken to heaven without dying
2Kg 2:11 - Elijah assumed into heaven in fiery chariot
Mt 27:52 - many saints who had fallen asleep were raised
1Cor 15:52 - we shall be instantly changed at the last trumpet
 
DeFide,
Thanks. That is pretty much what I was thinking, although you explained how this relates to the Eucharist in more depth than had occurred to me.
I led a bible study on this Sunday’s readings last night, and was hoping I hadn’t said anything misleading as I was discussing this subject. It sounds like what I was saying was on the right track-which is obviously a relief.
 
I’m curious over what will happen to John the Baptist’s body.
 
In yesterday’s homily, our priest said that the even of ascension was actually only a symbolism. Jesus did not really ‘physically’ ascended to heaven. Now I am really confused. :confused:
 
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In yesterday’s homily, our priest said that the even of ascension was actually only a symbolism. Jesus did not really ‘physically’ ascended to heaven. Now I am really confused. :confused:
Don’t be confused. That priest is teaching a heresy. GET OUT OF THAT CHURCH!!! Church hop & see what the priests teach/how the church conducts itself. Go to where you are getting spiritually nourished!!
 
Jesus physically ascended into heaven, while the apostles watched. He is in heaven now, body and soul, though is body is glorified, just as ours will be–but still physical.
 
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Nararya:
In yesterday’s homily, our priest said that the even of ascension was actually only a symbolism. Jesus did not really ‘physically’ ascended to heaven. Now I am really confused. :confused:
In fairness to your priest, he may not be a heretic. He just might be stating a fact, that while Jesus’ glorified body is in heaven, it did not ascend there, not at least the way we think of physical ascension.

How far up do I have to phyiscally go before I reach heaven? Past the moon? Past the outermost orbit of this solar system? To the Crab Nebula?

The answer is that I cannot get there through any physical act such as rising up.

Now, I have no doubt that Jesus did rise up and in so doing went to heaven, but Jesus could have gone to heaven in any way. I think that He chose to ascend to the sky and be taken out of sight in a cloud to demonstrate His divinity and authority. Recall that Jesus did not need to heal anybody through touch or any physicality whatsoever, but He chose to do so as some form of instruction.

The angels, after the ascension event, say that Jesus will return in the same way He left, atop the clouds in glory.

If I am wrong, and the Church teaches something else, I will gladly revoke my comments and never speak them again 🙂 .
 
I think you are right. The ascension was for our benefit, not Christ’s, who in his glorified body could have transported himself instantaneously to heaven. But I’m afraid that if the priest had given your explanation, even more people would be shaking their heads saying, “What was that all about?”
 
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Nararya:
In yesterday’s homily, our priest said that the even of ascension was actually only a symbolism. Jesus did not really ‘physically’ ascended to heaven. Now I am really confused. :confused:

So ask him what he meant: for he should know - we can hardly be expected to read his mind, can we 😃 ?​

Until then, some mind-reading… 🙂

“Physical” is a rather tricky word - “physically present” can mean:
  • present in a palpable, material, empirically verifiable way
whereas “present physically” can mean:
  • according to the nature of a thing (Greek phusis = nature): therefore, in a way proper to the manner of thing that a thing is - used in this sense, “physical” is very nearly the same in meaning as “natural”
This distinction is important for how we think about the Presence of Christ in the Eucharist: He is present in It, not in a verifiable way - a Consecrated Host would have exactly the same chemical composition as one that had just been made - but in a way proper to the phusis of His Glorified Presence in Heaven, and proper to the phusis of the Eucharist, which is a specifically sacramental reality.

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The Ascension is very difficult to talk about - we can say this:
  • Jesus Christ did “ascend into Heaven”
The texts which describe it, in Luke, Acts, and elsewhere in the New Testament, use a lot of symbolic language; much of which is drawn from the Old Testament.

Why ? Perhaps because what is being talked about, is impossible to describe adequately - the only language available for talking about an event that begins in this world but ends in the other, or that begins in the other, but ends in this, is the language of symbolism.

So the NT uses the symbolism of a cloud - clouds are a sign of the Presence of God, as the OT makes clear; in fact, they are full of meaning. It seems that by saying “a cloud received Him from their sight”, the author is making the point that “this Jesus” is, to put it bluntly, God. (In the NT “God” is used for the Father of Jesus; the title which more often points to the Deity of Jesus is “LORD”.)

Cloud in the Bible:

blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/c/1115700300-7286.html

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call,

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6 one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all.

Eph 4:7 But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.

Eph 4:8 Therefore it is said, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”
  • See Psalm 68.18
  • The passage also shows that the Ascension is not irrelevant to daily life.
Eph 4:9 (In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:10 He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)
  • Compare John 3.13

Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures,

Luk 24:46 and said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead,

Luk 24:47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

Luk 24:48 You are witnesses of these things.

Luk 24:49 And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you; but stay in the city, until you are clothed with power from on high."

Luk 24:50 Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them.

Luk 24:51 While he blessed them, he parted from them, and was carried up into heaven.

Luk 24:52 And they returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

Luk 24:53 and were continually in the temple blessing God.

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Act 1:6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”

Act 1:7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority.

Act 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Sama’ria and to the end of the earth."

Act 1:9 And when he had said this, as they were looking on, and a cloud took him out of their sight.

Act 1:10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes,

Act 1:11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”​

Another difficulty these days is, that talk about angels and clouds and being taken up, prompts questions about speed & distance - yet the symbolical language can also be a way out of such anxieties: because, although the language is symbolical or mythological, it may be that such language is better, not worse, at saying what is at the heart of the the Ascension than any other would be. The Biblical books are full of concrete imagery - and the imagery is one of the ways in which the theology of the Bible is expressed.

As to priests who sound as if they are preaching what is not right: the fault may be in their hearers, or in them; for they may have been misunderstood. ISTM that we should always begin by giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Ideally, one would go through the texts in Greek, and see how each word is used each time it appears in the Bible - and, what OT passages are echoed in the NT accounts, what the contexts are, and what those contexts mean:

Why, for example, is Psalm 68.18 quoted in Ephesians 4 ?

A divine descent, and its use in the NT :

Psa 47:5 God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: ##
 
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