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Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

The renewed and unrelenting attack upon Social Security by the current British government has reduced many to a grinding poverty, unworthy of a modern civilised country that boasts of being the seventh richest world economy. However, as a consequence of the dominance of neoliberal capitalism, many of the poor are reluctant to even acknowledge that they are poor. The most consistent attribute of poverty in Britain today seems to be a deep sense of shame. Thus, for example, men are ashamed that they cannot provide for their children’s most basic needs, they are ashamed to be seen having to resort to a ‘food bank’, they are ashamed about falling into debt to make ends meet or they are ashamed about having to buy clothes from a charity shop. In a capitalist and consumerist society there is quite undeniably shame attached to poverty, with the result that the poor feel increasingly socially excluded and lonely. All of this is a relatively new development since the poor have traditionally been proud, dignified and very stoical when facing abject poverty and divers hardships. Thus why has shame become the particular inflection of poverty in a supposedly enlightened and tolerant age?

The poor in contemporary Britain, and I suspect in America as well, have become painfully conscious of their supposedly blameworthy conduct and faulty actions, assisted no end by the accusatory right-wing press and elitist Conservative politicians who want to show solidarity with the middle-classes and ‘hard-working families’. Forgive me, dear friends, if this sounds cynical, but this is precisely what the British government intends, for there is nothing like punitive and harsh Social Security policies to enhance a sense of guilt. Now it does rather seem that the poor have internalised this cruel evaluation of government and moralists, for they have started to accept responsibility for what has, down through the ages, been seen as chance or fate or the ordering of the divine providence, not necessarily as evidence of their own failings or want of diligence.

Prior to the industrial era, direct experience disconfirmed for the poor the cruel fable that they were victims of their own folly, laziness or improvidence. Indeed, dear friends, this was the basis of much of the resistance to capitalism: the whole notion that we are simply individuals who must make our own private accommodation with wealth and power was vehemently repudiated by those who knew otherwise and recognised the role of a society who withheld from them the necessities of survival. As a matter of fact the labour movement itself was established on just this very recognition. Accordingly, the malignant assertion that poverty was some personal failing was negated by the power of the people to negotiate collectively for a decent level of living, an honourable livelihood or a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work.

Is it then any wonder, dear friends, that an objective of governments has been to weaken the power of collective resistance by undermining the institutions created by the poor for self-defence. This task has received tremendous impetus in recent decades by a spectacular rise in prosperity. The advent of the consumer society was accompanied by a profound psychological change in the poor themselves, which predisposed them more readily to accept a proposition they had hitherto resented and rejected.

In such a context, dear friends, the corollary was (and is) that those who neglected to take advantage of the ubiquitous plenty must needs be suffering from some moral defect. Capitalist ideology stubbornly refuses to accept that many of the poor do work jolly hard - sometimes holding down two jobs just to make ends meet - and yet are still suffering severe hardship by the standards of the society in which they live and move and have their being. Here in Britain, for example, it is the *working *poor who frequently need recourse to food banks, because their employer claims he has not the funds to pay them a decent living wage. If that is truly the case then he ought not to be business. Capitalist ideology also stubbornly refuses to accept that there will always be a percentage of people who are losers in the struggle to survive, the long-term mentally or physically sick or those who just cannot cope with our modern technological age and rapid change. Their silly philosophy is that anyone can do virtually anything, if only they would but try!

We now have, dear friends, an unpleasant dog eat dog world where supposedly civilised people turn against the weak and sick and those who have not availed themselves of all that capitalism innocently wishes to shower upon them. Moreover, under the barrage of resentment and loathing this incapacity incurs, is it any big surprise that the poor themselves echo the prevailing narrative of their condition? Now that they are a despised and rejected minority and no longer pose any electoral threat, they can be treated with punitive disdain. Every decent person should be alarmed at this sad state of affairs, for let us remember that we are speaking here of God’s poor.

God bless and thankyou for taking time to read the above.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
 
I’m sorry, but I do not believe that limiting benefits to a maximum of £26,000 per year (about $41,500) is in any way condemning anyone to ‘grinding poverty’.

Where blame is attributed, it tends to be by the media who suppose to analyse what the politicians mean rather than say.

If I were to attach any blame to anyone, it would be to those who remain wilfully feckless - they do exist, in many quarters of life, make no mistake.

The UK remains remarkably generous to those who cannot provide for themselves for whatever reason. Compared to other countries on earth, we’re a paradise. Why else do so many people from elsewhere attempt to storm ferries and stow away on trucks to get from one safe country (France) to another safe country (the UK)?

I simply cannot accept the premise of your argument.
 
As Jesus said, “the poor will always be among us.” And what is a “decent” wage? I would love to have the equivalent of $41.000 dollars per year. Instead I have the equivalent of less than $15.000 per year. I do not consider myself poor 'though some might. I know how to manage. I feel blessed. I live in country that is rapidly following England’s socialist economy, social culture, but can see the handwriting on the wall of what is to come. If you do not want to be a poor nation, then you must be a productive nation. What does England produce? Right now we are letting China overtake the world in production of goods. We will be in the same boat sooner or later. And yes, I worked for my money. The government did not hand it to me. There are truly poor people in America, but there is also assistance for the truly poor. In a lot of cases poverty is a state of mind rather than a state of lacking material possessions. I know. Someone will tell me I am wrong. But if you have a color TV, a cell phone, a computer, the internet and buy the latest fashions while colleting money from the government…well, what can I say. Bear in mind that this is not a blanket assessment of the for there are really, really poor among us. Rather, help the poor if you can.
 
OP, expect responses from this side of the pond to be reflecting the prevailing current American take on this situation.

Once upon a time, there was a concept in America of the “deserving poor”…unfortunately it has been laid aside.

Now, the set of the deserving poor consists only of one person, as this as become a nation of “Me and Me alone”.

We see it evidenced in attitudes toward poverty, immigration, gun control, privacy, education, etc., etc… and it is driven not by Christian charity, but by greed that is justified by worldly politics.

Peace.
 
Neofight, What is your point? Are you saying that if someone does not agree with socialism or gove. control is wrong? ???
 
Neofight, What is your point? Are you saying that if someone does not agree with socialism or gove. control is wrong? ???
“deserving poor” has nothing to do with socialism, unless historically, you belief the American colonies were enclaves of socialism.

Is your point that the founding fathers were socialists?
 
“deserving poor” has nothing to do with socialism, unless historically, you belief the American colonies were enclaves of socialism.

Is your point that the founding fathers were socialists?
Well, the problem with the whole idea is that there are far too many non-deserving poor ruining it for the deserving poor. Then you toss in the ussual government waste and we have a very poor and very much abused system here in the US.

I grew up poor, welfare was the only option for a 20 year old single mom of three kids. She could never make enough with an 8th grade education to take care of us, waitressing just doesn’t make ends meet and she couldn’t afford a babysitter. We went many a day missing meals when I was a kid.

I also know, having grown up in a poor area, that there is widespread abuse of the system. I’ve seen it a lot, firsthand.

With that said, I have no problem with people getting help that really need it and I’m more than happy to contribute. However, I wish it wasn’t wasted on those who don’t need it or because the government is just as efficient as tossing the money in the toilet.
 
Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

The renewed and unrelenting attack upon Social Security by the current British government has reduced many to a grinding poverty, unworthy of a modern civilised country that boasts of being the seventh richest world economy. However, as a consequence of the dominance of neoliberal capitalism, many of the poor are reluctant to even acknowledge that they are poor. The most consistent attribute of poverty in Britain today seems to be a deep sense of shame. Thus, for example, men are ashamed that they cannot provide for their children’s most basic needs, they are ashamed to be seen having to resort to a ‘food bank’, they are ashamed about falling into debt to make ends meet or they are ashamed about having to buy clothes from a charity shop. In a capitalist and consumerist society there is quite undeniably shame attached to poverty, with the result that the poor feel increasingly socially excluded and lonely. All of this is a relatively new development since the poor have traditionally been proud, dignified and very stoical when facing abject poverty and divers hardships. Thus why has shame become the particular inflection of poverty in a supposedly enlightened and tolerant age?

The poor in contemporary Britain, and I suspect in America as well, have become painfully conscious of their supposedly blameworthy conduct and faulty actions, assisted no end by the accusatory right-wing press and elitist Conservative politicians who want to show solidarity with the middle-classes and ‘hard-working families’. Forgive me, dear friends, if this sounds cynical, but this is precisely what the British government intends, for there is nothing like punitive and harsh Social Security policies to enhance a sense of guilt. Now it does rather seem that the poor have internalised this cruel evaluation of government and moralists, for they have started to accept responsibility for what has, down through the ages, been seen as chance or fate or the ordering of the divine providence, not necessarily as evidence of their own failings or want of diligence.

Prior to the industrial era, direct experience disconfirmed for the poor the cruel fable that they were victims of their own folly, laziness or improvidence. Indeed, dear friends, this was the basis of much of the resistance to capitalism: the whole notion that we are simply individuals who must make our own private accommodation with wealth and power was vehemently repudiated by those who knew otherwise and recognised the role of a society who withheld from them the necessities of survival. As a matter of fact the labour movement itself was established on just this very recognition. Accordingly, the malignant assertion that poverty was some personal failing was negated by the power of the people to negotiate collectively for a decent level of living, an honourable livelihood or a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work.

Is it then any wonder, dear friends, that an objective of governments has been to weaken the power of collective resistance by undermining the institutions created by the poor for self-defence. This task has received tremendous impetus in recent decades by a spectacular rise in prosperity. The advent of the consumer society was accompanied by a profound psychological change in the poor themselves, which predisposed them more readily to accept a proposition they had hitherto resented and rejected.

In such a context, dear friends, the corollary was (and is) that those who neglected to take advantage of the ubiquitous plenty must needs be suffering from some moral defect. Capitalist ideology stubbornly refuses to accept that many of the poor do work jolly hard - sometimes holding down two jobs just to make ends meet - and yet are still suffering severe hardship by the standards of the society in which they live and move and have their being. Here in Britain, for example, it is the *working *poor who frequently need recourse to food banks, because their employer claims he has not the funds to pay them a decent living wage. If that is truly the case then he ought not to be business. Capitalist ideology also stubbornly refuses to accept that there will always be a percentage of people who are losers in the struggle to survive, the long-term mentally or physically sick or those who just cannot cope with our modern technological age and rapid change. Their silly philosophy is that anyone can do virtually anything, if only they would but try!

We now have, dear friends, an unpleasant dog eat dog world where supposedly civilised people turn against the weak and sick and those who have not availed themselves of all that capitalism innocently wishes to shower upon them. Moreover, under the barrage of resentment and loathing this incapacity incurs, is it any big surprise that the poor themselves echo the prevailing narrative of their condition? Now that they are a despised and rejected minority and no longer pose any electoral threat, they can be treated with punitive disdain. Every decent person should be alarmed at this sad state of affairs, for let us remember that we are speaking here of God’s poor.

God bless and thankyou for taking time to read the above.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
I lived in the US and was not above shopping at Goodwill or the Salvation Army, or a flea market.

As to countries being “rich”, how much does that country owe? I know the US owed in the trillions. Check online to also see what the debt is, now, where you are.

A country must spend within its means, not keep overspending, leaving the next generation to pay it.

As to capitalism, what alternative system would you suggest, communism? Look at China and other places. Do they look happy with their system?

Until we have a better option, I recommend we continue with capitalism.
 
I lived in the US and was not above shopping at Goodwill or the Salvation Army, or a flea market.

As to countries being “rich”, how much does that country owe? I know the US owed in the trillions. Check online to also see what the debt is, now, where you are.

A country must spend within its means, not keep overspending, leaving the next generation to pay it.

As to capitalism, what alternative system would you suggest, communism? Look at China and other places. Do they look happy with their system?

Until we have a better option, I recommend we continue with capitalism.
Capitalism on it’s own is the best system. The problem is that you have people that introduce cronyism into it. Even so, Capitalism with some elements of cronyism is still much better than communism where pretty well everyone ends up poor and under a dictator.
 
Capitalism on it’s own is the best system. The problem is that you have people that introduce cronyism into it. Even so, Capitalism with some elements of cronyism is still much better than communism where pretty well everyone ends up poor and under a dictator.
I think so, too.
 
for Neofight: I am a capitalist. Yes, there are deserving poor. And then again there are those that take advantage of the system. I never made a lot of money myself as I have a disability, but I did work, saved and scrimped, bought a house which is now paid for. I d not begrudge those that are in true need. I help wherever I can,
 
I’m sorry, but I do not believe that limiting benefits to a maximum of £26,000 per year (about $41,500) is in any way condemning anyone to ‘grinding poverty’.

Where blame is attributed, it tends to be by the media who suppose to analyse what the politicians mean rather than say.

If I were to attach any blame to anyone, it would be to those who remain wilfully feckless - they do exist, in many quarters of life, make no mistake.

The UK remains remarkably generous to those who cannot provide for themselves for whatever reason. Compared to other countries on earth, we’re a paradise. Why else do so many people from elsewhere attempt to storm ferries and stow away on trucks to get from one safe country (France) to another safe country (the UK)?

I simply cannot accept the premise of your argument.
Dear DexUK,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response.

Unfortunately, the British public has been subjected to a barrage of anti-benefits rhetoric which bears little resemblance to the grinding reality of life on the dole, which provides only poverty-level income and vulnerability. The debate goes around in circles with extreme right-wing newspapers carrying dreadful cases of unique benefit abuse, politicians respond by hardening their policies to chase popularity and so the carousel keeps turning. Eventually all the leading parties are trying to outdo one another with the most punitive measures against the sick and jobless. It is nothing more than courting the middle class vote by talking tough on Social Security - always a guaranteed vote winner with middle England.

Sadly, dear friend, Britain has the least generous benefits in Western Europe, actually bottom of all the first fifteen countries to join the EU.

The ‘Benefits Cap’ of £26,000 is a policy that has been framed so as to make reasonable disagreement appear impossible. Who can argue that it should pay more to be on Social Security than in work? However, it is the most flawed of all the present governments so called ‘welfare reforms’.

First, dear friend, most of those who fall foul of this cap do so because of the amount that they receive in housing benefit (more correctly, landlord subsidy) in order to pay rent. At £23.8 bn, the housing benefit bill is clearly far too high but rather than tackling the root of the problem by building more affordable council houses, the government has chosen to punish poor families unable to afford reasonable accommodation without state support. As we are seeing the cap only serves to increase homelessness and forces local councils to relocate families hundreds of miles away, thus disrupting their children’s education and reducing employment opportunities (by requiring them to live in an area where they have no history of working). This sort of thing should not be happening in a country which brags of being the seventh richest world economy.

Second, the claim on which the policy rests - that non-working families can be better off than working ones - is urban myth since it takes no account of the benefits that an in work family can claim to augment their meagre income. For instance, a couple with four children earning £26, 000 after tax and with rent and council tax liabilities of £400 a week is actually entitle to around £15, 000 a year in housing benefit and council tax relief, £3, 146 in child benefit and more than £4, 000 in tax credits.

Now, dear friend, were the cap based on average income (as opposed to average earnings) of a working family, it would be set at a significantly higher level of £31, 500. The rhetoric that the Social Security system “rewards worklessness” is just not true; families are already better off in employment. Thus the the central arguments for this unfair and unjust policy, namely that it will improve work incentives and ends the “unfairness” of jobless families receiving more than their employed equivalents does not stand up to scrutiny.

It admits of no doubt that malingers and the workshy exist, but the ultra right-wing media has brainwashed people into thinking that benefit abuse is rampant and that Britain has bloated welfare culture. Moreover spending on out-of-work benefits is not spiralling out of control. Most of our Social Security budget (53%) is spent on pensioners, which compares with a little over quarter (26%) on those much maligned out-of-work benefits. Indeed, spending on the latter, as a proportion of the national income, has actually been jolly flat for almost three decades! Unfortunately, dear friend, when a lie is frequently stated there is a good chance that people will believe it, especially if they are looking for someone to scapegoat for a nation’s economic woes. The sick and jobless are deemed to be fair game these days and that it a very sad indictment upon contemporary Britain. We should be hanging our heads in shame and that is nothing to do with one being a bleeding heart liberal, just a compassionate human being who cares about social injustice.

When my fellow citizens have to resort to food banks for the most basic of provisions and when they have to take out loans to make ends meet I know that we do not have a generous welfare system in place. When child poverty is on the increase and parents cannot even afford school uniforms, then I know that Social Security benefits are woefully inadequate.

God bless and goodbye. May you have enjoyable and relaxing weekend. Thankyou for your response.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
 
for Neofight: I am a capitalist. Yes, there are deserving poor. And then again there are those that take advantage of the system. I never made a lot of money myself as I have a disability, but I did work, saved and scrimped, bought a house which is now paid for. I d not begrudge those that are in true need. I help wherever I can,
My point exactly. Everyone thinks their hardships are not unique, that all circumstances are identical, and that everyone else in the same position can simply overcome all obstacles the same way, and if they remain poor, well they deserve to be poor.

The danger to Christian spirituality, when we think like this, is we forget that it was by the grace of God that we escaped poverty, and have the tendency that we did it on our own.

Peace and all good!
 
Cordial greetings and a very warm welcome to the world of CAF. Trust that you will find your time on these boards informative and spiritually enriching. Thankyou for your response and I apologise for the delay replying.

The poverty of the poor in a prosperous progressive country such as Britain or America must be gauged by the index of a prosperous progressive country and not worldwide wealth. By those standards many of my fellow citizens are indeed suffering a grinding poverty and their plight is waxing increasingly worse under the current British government. The recent iniquitous and inequitable Social Security cuts, part of the so called ‘welfare reforms’, have pushed 1.75 million of the poorest households deeper into poverty, leaving more families struggling to cover essentials such as food, rent and energy bills. Thus it is not being bereft of the latest electronic gadgetry or HD flat screen TV’s that concerns the poor, rather their chief worry is meeting essential outgoings and putting food on the table each day. Moreover, a drop in the overall value of Social Security benefits, which rose by less than inflation, as well as changes to housing benefit and council tax relief have forced some families into paying housing costs that they were previously deemed too poor to pay. Incidently, if the poor do possess a flat screen HDTV or a mobile phone, they may have bought these before they became jobless and fell upon hard times or family members may have clubbed together to buy them as an act of kindness. At any rate we should not make unkind assumptions about the poor wasting their Social Security money on these and other items.

The shape of Social Security support has changed dramatically just as people have struggled with ever rising living costs and that many of the chronically sick and unemployed, unable to work, have become worse off. This, dear friend, is surely a grave social injustice and unnecessary in a country which boasts of being the seventh richest world economy. Let us remember here that we are speaking of poor and vulnerable persons who are having to resort to ‘foodbanks’ and who are struggling to pay rent, council tax and even to afford visits to the labour exchange. At a time when the five richest families in Britain have the same wealth as the bottom 20% of the population it is utterly disgraceful that the poorest vulnerable people are paying such a heavy price. However, this will sadly always occur in a capitalist society where the rich only serve the interests of the middle-class and wealth creators. Moreover, capitalism almost by default has a sad tendency to want to be in denial respecting the plight of the poor and prefers to keep their struggles out of its field of consciousness. It comforts its harshness and indifference by drawing odious comparisons with the poverty of the African sub-continent or some South American country to silence the cries of the poor in their own midst. Charity and compassion begins at home, as the old saying goes.

The present level of Social Security benefits in Britain are wholly inadequate and are a national disgrace in a thriving economy. It is, dear friend, high time that government determine what the absolute minimum level of support should be for the households of the poor. What does admit of no doubt is that it must be sufficiently high enough to ensure that those who are reliant upon it are not forced to walk the breadline day after day. Moreover, in a civilised country a strong Social Security safety net must always be in place and savage and Dickensian cuts to essential benefits cannot be justified on the grounds of making the system fair to tax payers as well as benefit recipients.

The myth of a bloated Social Security benefits culture in Britain also needs to be exploded once for all. Social Security fraud has been estimated here at 0.7% of the total spent on benefits but for polemical purposes the response to this miniscule percentage has been disproportionate. The sad result has been that the vast majority of bona fide claimants have been consigned to a life of untold misery, where they are unable to live their lives with any degree of dignity. If, dear friend, there is any ‘welfare dependency’ then it is clearly owing to low wages and an increasing high cost of living, which is why we urgently need a legal living wage and sensible rent controls for the private sector. Government also should invest in building more social housing (formerly known here as ‘council housing’), which will be more affordable to the jobless and working poor.

“A basic test of the moral and social well-being of any society is the condition of its most vulnerable members” (Sharing Catholic Social Teaching: Challenges and Directions, from a statement issued by the American Bishops in June 1998).

God bless and goodbye.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
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Capitalism on it’s own is the best system. The problem is that you have people that introduce cronyism into it. Even so, Capitalism with some elements of cronyism is still much better than communism where pretty well everyone ends up poor and under a dictator.
Dear mcrow,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

Capitalism has, alas, an exceedingly egregious track record, at least as far as alleviating the poverty of God’s poor and chronically sick is concerned. It must almost as a default position kowtow to big business and the wealth creators whilst ignoring the poor and marginalized of society. Indeed, it is virtually held to ransom by the corporate world and banks. Certainly capitalism is the lesser of the two evils when compared to atheistic communism, but not, I think, democratic socialism which has much to commend it.

Capitalism is not, dear friend, the best system and will always necessarily be a bedfellow with neoliberal ‘cronyism’. The lot of the poor under this unjust and unfair system has been dreadful and here in Britain has been the occasion of untold misery. It naturally favours Dickensian cuts to Social Security benefits under the guise of a so called ‘tough love’ approach to welfare that is almost fanatically religious. However, it is nothing more than electioneering and is designed to win the middle-class vote at the ballot box, as well as appease its masters, the banks and big business. It is a national scandal here that people are having to go hungry because they cannot afford to buy food as well as pay for rent and heating. So much of this deprivation is a consequence of Social Security changes and cruel and unreasonable ‘sanctions’ dished out by the Department for Social Security.

Cuts, caps and changes to eligibility criteria have all hit poor vulnerable people jolly hard and often in cumulative ways, all exacerbated by the new ultra right-wing attitude towards the sick and jobless. It is an unkind and completely untrue attitude that presumes that the vast majority of Social Security claimants are scrounging and swing the lead as regards their need for state support. It is an attitude that shamefully defends revoking essential benefits with no notice and no investigation and delaying in correcting the error for months on end. The inhuman cruelty and aguish that all of this causes for the poor ought to shake anyone’s pride in Britain today. For these vulnerable people the vital safety net of our Welfare State has been dismantled and entirely removed, leaving them destitute. The sad result is profound poverty and hunger - and this in a country in which the economy is supposedly booming! In many cases only a ‘foodbank’ stands between these poor souls and starvation. People who are treated in this despicable fashion will undoubtedly suffer long-lasting impacts on mental and physical health, which will preclude them from returning to the world of work - perhaps indefinitely in the case of mental illness. Thus the whole new harsh approach is counter-productive and actually costs the taxpayer in the long-term.

Needless to say, dear friend, your Capitalist Conservative will bury their heads in the sand and be in state of denial, accusing others of grossly exaggerating the issue.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your recent replies.

First, it is manifestly obvious that for there to be a proper evaluation of the plight of the poor the economic prosperity of a country must be factored in. However, as regards human rights, many people are of the opinion that the British government could possibly be in breach of Article 3 of the Human Rights Act for subjecting sick and vulnerable people to “inhumane and degrading treatment”. Whilst I am no lawyer, I think that there could well be a case to answer, especially when we take into account the inhumane treatment many have suffered at the hands of ATOS and the degrading 'Work Capability Assessments". These have been the occasion of much anguish and even suicides in that they have declared clients able and capable for employment when this has plainly not been the case. The number of successful appeals against the government for erroneous decisions would strongly suggest that something is seriously amiss in the system.

Having a home, dear friend, is a very basic need and human right, especially in a civilised society which boasts of being the seventh richest world economy. Incontrovertibly, homelessness in a prosperous country of the West is a national scandal and people, especially those who profess the holy religion of Christ, should be deeply disquieted that it is still permitted to exist. This has nothing to do with the so called grudge and grievance politics of the Left, but is a matter of basic humanity and compassion for our fellow-man made in the image of God.

We are repeatedly told that the Social Security benefits cap is fair and perfectly reasonable. It is about “making work pay” and ensuring that no one will earn more in benefits than in work. What is so very wrong with that? Unfortunately, it is misleading right-wing propaganda and it is sad reflection upon the British people, given their traditional sense of fair play, that they have bought into this nonsense hook, line and sinker. The extreme right wing press has been jolly successful in stirring up national vitriol against the sick and jobless, as if they were chiefly to blame for all our economic woes.

In real terms wages for those at the bottom end of the labour market have been steadily falling. Moreover, the types of jobs being created at the present time are predominantly precarious to say the very least - part-time and poorly paid with a rise in what are now termed ‘zero hour contracts’. It is a fact that the number of people here in Britain experiencing in-work poverty is now higher than those in out of work poverty. Indeed, in- work poverty is the most distinctive characteristic of poverty today and, for the first time, outstrips the levels of poverty associated with the unemployed. Even those fortunate enough to have a job these days are sadly facing a cycle of insecure, poor paid jobs, 4.4 million of which pay less than £7 and hour - so much for the ‘trickle-down’ theory of Capitalism supposedly improving the lot of everyone. Capitalism looks after its own kind and always has done with the result that the poor always pay a very heavy price where the harsh politics of the right prevails. Look here, dear friend, until government addresses the demand side of the labour market by investing in an economy that provides secure well-paid jobs, they will, at best, only be moving people off the dole and reduced benefits to unrewarding in-work poverty. Therefore work will not pay for multitudes of workers, but it will allow a neoliberal Capitalist government to brag that they are reducing unemployment and are serious about “tackling the culture of dependency and entitlement”. However, they can hardly claim to be on the side of “hard working families”, to quote their own divisive and discriminatory rhetoric.

Cutting Social Security payments is also problematic at a macro-economic level and economists suggest that, during a recession, Social Security benefits have a multiplier effect of around 1.6. To put it another way, every £1 in Social Security spent generates £1.6 to the national economy. Cutting Social Security has an undoubted negative multiplier effect . Indeed, research has shown that reducing Social Security by £19 billion a year may depress the economy as much as £30.4 billion a year.

We are accustomed now, dear friend, to hearing from government about the pernicious “culture of dependency and entitlement” and about this great army of ‘skivers and shirkers’ who are “sleeping off a life on benefits”. These people need a jolly good shake, we are told, something that will force them to face their responsibilities and get working like everyone else. Punitive Social Security sanctions and meagre benefits will do just that, or will it?

Con’t/
 
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Continuation of #20

What is required is not nasty extreme right-wing rhetoric but rather an evidence based approach to supporting (not coercing) people into work. The Self Determination Theory, a psychological theory of motivation and well-being is most instructive here. It shows that man has three innate psychological needs which, if met, enable him to function well, to be pro-active and to develop properly. The three needs are:

Competence - a sense of efficacy and self-confidence, a sense that one can have a meaningful impact upon the world around.

Autonomy - a feeling of having choice in one’s life.

Relatedness - the feeling that people and family care about you and that you are close to others.

Now, dear friend, surely any ‘welfare reform’ or ‘work programme’ worth its salt will truly want to support people into the world of work by helping them to develop these functioning’s. If that is not possible owing to acute mental/physical illness then the state will not demonise or bully them by accusing them of being feckless or workshy. On the contrary, it will provide for their essential living and medical needs and ensure that they are able to live peacefully, free from constant government harassment. That is a basic human right and the mark of a civilised society.

If these three psychological needs are undermined then any Social Security reform will be doomed to failure as well as being a jolly costly to the taxpayer. Under the current reforms and benefits cuts these psychological needs are being undermined because the government are not taking a holistic approach. What the ‘welfare reforms’ are managing to do is to make people feel insecure and marginalized, as it they are undeserving parasites who are happy to sponge off the community. Not surprisingly they feel stigmatized as though public opinion is turning against them - dreadful outcasts who are bleeding the country dry to the point of bankruptcy. No wonder the poor and chronically sick feel increasingly isolated, as they turn in on themselves and desperately try to keep body and soul together - going out less often and seeing any friends or family less frequently. This is hardly preparing people for the labour market and the ruthlessly competitive world that is our lot nowadays. Moreover, governments have got to acknowledge that there will always be those who are losers in the struggle to survive, for example those who suffer with acute mental health problems and who are often socially inept, who will never be able to hold down a job. The state in a civilised country has no option but to support such people and provide for their essential basic needs - that is to say shelter, food, warmth and medical care via taxation. Thanks be unto God, I live in a country that does so provide at the present time, but I am bound to say that I entertain real fears for the plight of the poor and sick in the future, especially if the Conservatives are re-elected in May 2015. At any rate, dear friend, what does admit of no doubt is that the current ‘welfare reforms’ are clearly not equipping people for the working world, quite the opposite, in fact. Both Citizens Advice UK and the charities, who deal with the poor, sick and jobless day by day, would confirm this to be the case.

The British government’s confidence about the success of their ‘welfare reforms’ is wholly misplaced and they have in reality been a monumental failure given the human, social and economic costs.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
Dear (name removed by moderator),

Hello again.

To avoid any misunderstanding, I and many others would freely admit that there is a deficit in Britain and that this will no doubt continue into the next government after the 2015 General Election. Moreover, I fully accept as a matter of plain economic common sense that this deficit has to be filled. However, it is downright inequitable and unjust that the books should be balanced at the expense of the sick and poor. No Catholic should be defending mercilessly and drastically reducing the essential Social Security payments for the poor and sick, who are mostly in that position through no deliberate fault of their own. Look here, dear friend, the financial crisis was clearly not of their doing and therefore they should not have to pay for the reckless borrowing and credit card spending of the middle-classes or the disgraceful errors of the financial hierarchy which led us into this calamitous mess in the first place. The greedy Capitalists should be made to pay for the proverbial billion pound black hole, not the poor, sick or jobless, who are already of jolly slender means. Besides, we should not be employing punitive measures against the poor and sick because of the misdeeds of the rich and powerful, for that is just wrong and a grave social justice. The only reason we are not hauling over the coals the CEO’s and Bankers is because neoliberal Capitalist governments must always kowtow to the corporate world and not offend it. Moreover, it is only just that those with the broadest shoulders should bear the heaviest burden, but, alas, this is simply not happening. It is the poor and working poor that are being increasingly squeezed and suffering grinding poverty. How can that ever be acceptable in a civilised society?

The vast majority of the poor and working poor in this country manage on their pittance income and Social Security benefits very well, given their outgoings such as exorbitantly high private sector rents, council tax and ever rising fuel and food costs. No wonder the poor souls have to resort to food banks and pay day loans just to tie them over. They do understand their own finances, dear friend, but with all the best will in the world you cannot get blood out of a stone, no matter how thrifty you are. These people simply cannot make ends meet.

If we are concerned with social justice and gross inequality then we will not deem it inconsequential that the “rich aim to serve the interests of a privileged minority”. At any rate, people are beginning to awaken to the fact that market forces cannot create an economically just society for all of the citizens. They are no longer willing to believe the Capitalist lie that in order for the economy to be prosperous it is necessary that there should be impoverished families, homeless youngsters and a vast reserve army of unemployed workers. They no longer accept that ambulance workers and train drivers, on who’s skills our lives depend, are somehow worth less than some young fellow in the City trading on the stock market, or worth thirty times less than the M.D. of a large company.

The poor of Britain and America are in actual fact a great deal closer to the poor of the African sub-continent than the rich of Britain and America who are wont to make odious comparisons to bolster their opinion that no one suffers real hardship in the West. No one, dear friend, would deny the absolute poverty and appalling plight of the African’s or South American’s, but the sad fact remains that people in Britain, the seventh richest world economy, are going increasingly hungry as a consequence of iniquitous Social Security cuts. They are becoming homeless because they can no longer cover their rent shortfall or pay council tax and because I live in Britain I cannot live in a state of denial regarding this or brush it aside as not qualifying as real poverty. "Every person has an inalienable right to life, to food and shelter, suitable work and pay, and other requirements for human decency. A just society can be protected only when these human rights and responsibilities are met" (Sharing Catholic Social Teaching: Challenges and Directions, June 1998, emphasis mine)

God bless and thankyou for all of your replies J. Reed, notwithstanding that I strongly disagree with your stance on this issue, my dear friend. Again, welcome aboard CAF.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
 
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Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. This will be my final post but may I just thank everyone for their replies and (name removed by moderator)ut into this discussion.

It admits of no doubt that neoliberal Capitalism has had a profound impact upon peoples attitudes towards the sick and unemployed, as many of the remarks made in this thread evince only too clearly. The market fundamentalism of neoliberalism has come to believe that the market can resolve almost all social, economic and political problems. The less that the state regulates and taxes us, the better off we will all be. Public services should be privatised, public spending (including Social Security) should drastically cut and business should be liberated from social control. In countries such as Britain and America this narrative has shaped our norms and values for the best part of 35 years, in fact since Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan came to power. It is rapidly colonising the rest of the globe and creating a world that has no place for failure or those who for genuine reasons are losers in the struggle to survive. There will be many casualties in this brave new world and only those who are hard and ruthlessly competitive will have any chance. Neoliberalism celebrates being selfish and acquisitive, which is diametrically opposed to Catholic teaching. Whilst Catholics who have embraced Capitalist ideology would formally repudiate being selfish and acquisitive, their belief in the tenet of unrestricted competition does have a tendency to foster such characteristics, as well harsh views of the sick and jobless. At the heart of this is the notion of merit; untrammelled competition rewards people who are talented, entrepreneurial, take risks, work hard and innovate. It breaks down class distinctions and so creates a world of opportunity and social mobility for all, including the poor and those from deprived backgrounds.

However, dear friends, the reality is rather different, for we do not all start with equal opportunities, especially those afflicted with acute mental health problems or the socially inept. In any case even when the outcomes are based upon talent and hard graft, they do not remain that way for too long. Once your first generation of liberated entrepreneurs have made their money, the initial meritocracy is replaced by the new elite, which insulates its children from fierce competition by inheritance and the finest education that money can buy. Where market fundamentalism has been most fiercely applied, as in Britain and America, social mobility has in fact greatly declined, not increased.

In this brave new world, dear friends, success or failure in the market economy is ascribed solely to the efforts of the individual - it is all down to him whether or not he makes anything of himself. Woe betide him if he fails or has a complete mental breakdown because this new society does not take too kindly to having to carry economically inactive passengers - the welfare train has shrinked in size and only now admits those who are virtually at deaths door. The rich, powerful and hard working are the new righteous, whilst the poor, sick and jobless are the new deviants, who have failed both economically and morally and are now branded social parasites. The market was intended to emancipate us, offering autonomy and freedom, instead for many it has delivered stigma, atomisation and deep loneliness.

Is it any marvel, dear friends, that in this harsh milieu we have witnessed a significant rise in certain psychiatric conditions: self harm, eating disorders, depression and personality disorders. The new neoliberal Capitalism is decidedly bad for one’s health. Of the personality disorders, the most common are performance anxiety and social phobia, both of which reflect a fear of other people and being evaluated in pejorative terms. Moreover, people are perceived as both evaluators and competitors, the only roles for society that market fundamentalism admits. No wonder our modern age is beset by depression and loneliness. What hope is there for the weak, poor and acutely sick in such a world? They must, as the Welfare State shrinks, hope that a few crumbs will fall from their Capitalist master’s table when they are given to a bout of unforced generosity.

Finally, dear friends, the present British government has been hugely successful at breeding a sense of shame among the poor and sick. Claiming Social Security, even if you are profoundly unwell, has come to be regarded as a form of theft from “hard working people who face their responsibilities and take risks”. Need - or rather, needing help to meet that need - is the new shame in our Capitalist run society. Apparently, more than a quarter of benefits recipients say that they have hidden the fact because they are worried what others may think of them (‘YouGov’ study for charity Who Benefits). Strangely the solution to unemployment is not embarrassment and poverty is not miraculously cured by stigma. Shamed people still require food for their children to stop them from starving. They may feel bad about themselves and loose what confidence they may have had as a result of being jobless already, but that is all.

In the face of poverty, shame is the logical response, but sadly it is the wrong people who are feeling it nowadays. The present British government, whilst it is finding its conscience, should also feel a deep sense of shame for its cruel Social Security cuts and unrelenting demonization of the sick and poor.

God bless and may I wish all contributors and viewers of this thread a jolly relaxing and enjoyable weekend. Goodbye, dear friends.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
 
Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

The renewed and unrelenting attack upon Social Security by the current British government has reduced many to a grinding poverty, unworthy of a modern civilised country
When The State becomes the all encompassing provider of every need, it usurps the natural rights and responsibilities as well as the initiative of the individual.

You cannot help people by doing for them what they can and ought to do for themselves.
 
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