Asking for Petitions Against Satanist

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Hi guys, I just wanted to ask for your help getting some signatures for a petition. It’s about opposing this group of satanist who want take part in a prayer invocation at Phoenix council meeting. The deadline is on the 16th for the meeting will be held on the 17th. Please take a second to look through it, sign, and help get the word out. Thanks.

americaneedsfatima.org/forms/E16024.html
 
In a country that guarantees freedom of worship and equal protection under the law, why shouldn’t satanists get to pray at the government function?

It seems to me that any laws or procedure that lets a Christian do so should also allow any other religious sorts to do so.
 
Freedom of religion, which includes Satanists.

At least Satanists believe your God is real, yeah?
 
Sure we have rights, but we should never have the rights to commit such an evil, just like we don’t give lustful men/women the right to rape people. Regardless of what you guys consider as evil, I consider this one of them. I’m going to stand up against every form of evil, even in this one particular instance. I’m also going to invoke that same right, the right to express my religion freely, just as one of the previous poster had mentioned. I would never trust Satanist, no matter what they say and claim to be, and regardless of what washington posts wrote about, for why believe in a group that worship the Father of Lies? And as for your statement, 987mk, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t even think that particular group of Satanist even consider satan to be real, how much more of our God. God bless and I will pray for your conversions.
 
At least Satanists believe your God is real, yeah?
No, contrary to popular misconception most forms of the philosophies labeled as “Satanism” don’t Grant the existence of a theistic God or even the existence of Satan.
 
No, contrary to popular misconception most forms of the philosophies labeled as “Satanism” don’t Grant the existence of a theistic God or even the existence of Satan.
“The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist” - Charles Baudelaire

It seems he’s even got some of his own followers conned into thinking that he doesn’t exist.
 
I think that whole prayer thing was cancelled in general, was it not?
Seems that it was. The video in the page you posted showed the arguments that the citizens had made along with the 5-4 vote to ban the prayer. Just before the vote one of the council women explains that their legal advisor has repeatedly told them it would not be legal to specifically ban the satanist.

From some of the comments from the people in the audience it seams that their concerns are primarily based on ideas that are not applicable to the Satanist.
 
This is not about prayer in school, in city council, or at football games. This is about Protestant, evangelical, fundamentalist prayer in these venues.

Just offer to lead a rosary prayer at a city council meeting in Alabama and watch the locals come unhinged.

Catholics should not forget that it was Protestant bibles being given out to children, Protestant prayer and theology, Protestant indoctrination happening in public schools. That is why Catholic schools started in this country. That is why parents had to resort to lawsuits to stop their children being assaulted with Protestant indoctrination.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Independent_School_District_v._Doe

Don’t be fooled into thinking people believe the U.S. is a Christian nation. They believe it is a Protestant nation, because they are ignorant of our founding and ignorant of history. We Catholics must be vigilant and not forget the widespread discrimination inflicted on Catholics not so long ago.

Catholics who wish to return to “prayer in school” need to educate themselves.
 
This is not about prayer in school, in city council, or at football games. This is about Protestant, evangelical, fundamentalist prayer in these venues.

Just offer to lead a rosary prayer at a city council meeting in Alabama and watch the locals come unhinged.

Catholics should not forget that it was Protestant bibles being given out to children, Protestant prayer and theology, Protestant indoctrination happening in public schools. That is why Catholic schools started in this country. That is why parents had to resort to lawsuits to stop their children being assaulted with Protestant indoctrination.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Independent_School_District_v._Doe

Don’t be fooled into thinking people believe the U.S. is a Christian nation. They believe it is a Protestant nation, because they are ignorant of our founding and ignorant of history. We Catholics must be vigilant and not forget the widespread discrimination inflicted on Catholics not so long ago.

Catholics who wish to return to “prayer in school” need to educate themselves.
No we are just a nation. No Christian nor Protestant. Also I always enjoy when people worry over such things as opening things at meetings. Church and state have to remain apart.
 
No we are just a nation. No Christian nor Protestant. Also I always enjoy when people worry over such things as opening things at meetings. Church and state have to remain apart.
And it protects the church more so than the state. Look at other European countries where religion was a state matter.
 
No we are just a nation. No Christian nor Protestant. Also I always enjoy when people worry over such things as opening things at meetings. Church and state have to remain apart.
We aren’t just a nation, we are a nation “under God.” So many people claim that it would be better if we just took God out of the picture, but just try looking at past societies that ran under atheistic regimes, like Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia. Were they any better than say the Inquisition? Mother Church, at her best, is the champion of human rights and dignity, and I would dare to say that those church members and leaders who have committed such evils in the past did so out of alignment with what the Church really taught. They ran counter to their Christian self and ran under a type of worldly mindset. Without God, the one True God, our societies will just continue to devolve into chaos and disorder and crumble under the weight of it’s sins. Societies and nations only thrive when virtue, charity, faith, hope, and love is prevalent, all of the things of God that the Church continues to stand up for regardless of the sinfulness of it’s members. So I would beg to differ against all of those who say that the Church, that the things of God, has no place within the state.
 
We aren’t just a nation, we are a nation “under God.” So many people claim that it would be better if we just took God out of the picture, but just try looking at past societies that ran under atheistic regimes, like Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia. Were they any better than say the Inquisition? Mother Church, at her best, is the champion of human rights and dignity, and I would dare to say that those church members and leaders who have committed such evils in the past did so out of alignment with what the Church really taught. They ran counter to their Christian self and ran under a type of worldly mindset. Without God, the one True God, our societies will just continue to devolve into chaos and disorder and crumble under the weight of it’s sins. Societies and nations only thrive when virtue, charity, faith, hope, and love is prevalent, all of the things of God that the Church continues to stand up for regardless of the sinfulness of it’s members. So I would beg to differ against all of those who say that the Church, that the things of God, has no place within the state.
“Under God” was a Cold War era addition, 1954 I believe. Anyways, pointing out religious or atheistic regimes is problematic. Religious persecutions were because denomination was a matter of loyalty, I.e. Catholics were automatically regarded as against the gov at various times. In atheistic regimes religions were a that to the state and treated as such.

So either the gov has to allow all religions during gov functions or none (none isn’t the same a atheism but rather neutrality). In the end, if religion is seen as part of government then religion will suffer the stigma of governmental follies. See most of Europe for example.
 
Catholics who wish to return to “prayer in school” need to educate themselves.
There is a good piece on this subject at World Net Daily, (yes, I know, but bear with me):

Coming from a fairly traditional Southern upbringing, I was not at all initially surprised when a voice came over the PA and asked everyone to rise for the invocation. I had been through this same ritual at many other high-school events and thought nothing of it, so to our feet my wife and I stood, bowed our heads, and prepared to partake of the prayer. But to our extreme dismay, the clergyman who took the microphone and began to pray was not a Protestant minister or a Catholic priest, but a Buddhist priest who proceeded to offer up prayers and intonations to god-head figures that our tradition held to be pagan.

We were frozen in shock and incredulity! What to do? To continue to stand and observe this prayer would represent a betrayal of our own faith and imply the honoring of a pagan deity that was anathema to our beliefs. To sit would be an act of extreme rudeness and disrespect in the eyes of our Japanese hosts and neighbors, who value above all other things deference and respect in their social interactions. I am sorry to say that in the confusion of the moment we chose the easier path and elected to continue to stand in silence so as not to create a scene or ill will among those who were seated nearby.



The point is this. I am a professional, educated and responsible man who is strong in his faith and is quite comfortable debating the social and political issues of the day. Yet when placed in a setting where the majority culture proved hostile to my faith and beliefs, I became paralyzed with indecision and could not act decisively to defend and proclaim my own beliefs. I felt instantly ostracized and viewed myself as a foreigner in my own land.

Source: Why I’m Against Pre-Game Prayers.

The whole letter is worth reading.

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