Asking Jesus into your heart???

[PbloPicasso]

Accept Jesus into your heart stems from fundamentalist cirlces. The Apostles where not making it their goal or mission to go around asking people: Do you accept Christ into your heart?

Be careful.

Actually, it stems from Baptist circles, which is now stemming into and from “non-denominations”. Catholicism is not a denomination. The term was created as a result of the constant divide and conquer tactics created from protesting against Catholic teaching. Now the dividing is in those newly founded religions, which divides on and on because there is no unity. As a Catholic, you are either Catholic or your dissenting against the Catholic Church, the Church of Christ.

In my previous faith, Churches of Christ, not to be confused with the scientists or mormon or other. It’s a fundamentalist church, ecclesial community, that teaches they are the original church founded by Christ and that saying a prayer in you heart is not the means to salvation, but that one must hear, believe, confess,baptize and live in Christ. They also teach that faith without works is dead. Very different than baptists hiding under the guide of non-denominationalism.

 

[PbloPicasso]

I did not say all Catholics are like that. I said I have so many Catholic friends who I know very well that are like that. I am not generalizing and saying all Catholics. I know all Catholics aren’t like that. Yes there are Protestants that go to church cus they were forced to. That wasn’t the point of my comment.

Kristin,
I think you’re missing the real point. You, nor I - not even the Pope - knows our fate and what’s in a persons heart. We are never allowed to get away with saying whether or not someone is saved. It’s not the simple. The New Testament makes this clear in places as well. I’m avoiding the BCV act. It’s pompous and over rated.

 

[Kristin234]

Kristin,
I think you’re missing the real point. You, nor I - not even the Pope - knows our fate and what’s in a persons heart. We are never allowed to get away with saying whether or not someone is saved. It’s not the simple. The New Testament makes this clear in places as well. I’m avoiding the BCV act. It’s pompous and over rated.

But that’s the thing, I’m not deciding anyone’s fate. I did not say anywhere that anyone is going to hell. I know I am in no position nor will I ever be. I think you are missing the point of my original comment. I was responding to a comment that said why ask Jesus into your heart if you take the Eucharist and that is enough. What did I say? I said that just because someone takes the Eucharist doesn’t mean they know God and I gave an example - so asking if someone has accepted Christ into their heart isn’t a big deal - for Catholics and non-Catholics.

I never said my friends are going to hell. I never looked at them and judged what is in their heart and soul. But how do I know that they don’t love nor do they follow God’s words? Because they themselves tell me! I have grown up with these people and I know that they do not trust nor do they love God but only go to church because they were forced. And I know some Protestants that are exactly like that. BUT that was not the point of my comment. My intention wasn’t to make anyone look bad and I was not making any generalized statements like some commented - I never said all Catholics. I didn’t even say all the Catholics that I know.

So once again, I am not judging anyone. I am notsaying all Catholics are like that and I am not saying all Protestants aren’t like that. I don’t know how much more clear I can get.

 

[Nicea325]

I’m sorry if I came off judgmental because I wasn’t trying to be. I was just pointing out that even though you take communion doesn’t mean you know, trust, and love Christ. I’m definitely not saying all Catholics are like that. I know they aren’t. A lot of my family are Catholic who have completely dedicated their lives to God. And I know that many non-Catholics claim they know God when they don’t either. I just meant that it makes sense to ask people if they have accepted Christ because just because they are Catholic and take communion doesn’t mean they are. Same goes for Protestants. Just because they say they are Christian and go to church doesn’t mean they actually are. I know very well I do not have the right to judge and that’s not what I was trying to do.

Okay,but simply saying you accept Jesus into your heart or life also does guarantee you absolute salvation.What certitude does anyone have simply because they have accepted Jesus into their heart? God alone and His graces saves us.

 

[Nicea325]

Actually, it stems from Baptist circles, which is now stemming into and from “non-denominations”. Catholicism is not a denomination. The term was created as a result of the constant divide and conquer tactics created from protesting against Catholic teaching. Now the dividing is in those newly founded religions, which divides on and on because there is no unity. As a Catholic, you are either Catholic or your dissenting against the Catholic Church, the Church of Christ.

In my previous faith, Churches of Christ, not to be confused with the scientists or mormon or other. It’s a fundamentalist church, ecclesial community, that teaches they are the original church founded by Christ and that saying a prayer in you heart is not the means to salvation, but that one must hear, believe, confess,baptize and live in Christ. They also teach that faith without works is dead. Very different than baptists hiding under the guide of non-denominationalism.

Yes you are incorrect it stems from Baptist circles and flitered its way into fundamentalist churches.

 

[PbloPicasso]

Yes you are incorrect it stems from Baptist circles and flitered its way into fundamentalist churches.

Are you saying that I’m incorrect that it stems from Baptist? You might need to clarify that a bit.

Let me expand a little on my background. My biological family is sort of a mix faith that I thought was non-denom, but really is a go between Methodism and Baptist. My step mom’s family are southern Baptist, of which I am more familiar. My wife’s family are Church of Christ. However, growing up in San Antonio, south side off of Flores, I used to visit a friend’s church - Church of Christ. As a member of the Church of Christ, we learned apologetics to defend our faith and to evangelize (Proselytize in some cases). Part of apologetics was learning about other faith beliefs, which was not always quite right, just as many Protestants get Catholic teaching and beliefs all twisted up.

 

[Kristin234]

Okay,but simply saying you accept Jesus into your heart or life also does guarantee you absolute salvation.What certitude does anyone have simply because they have accepted Jesus into their heart? God alone and His graces saves us.

I never said asking Jesus into your heart means you are saved. You hear the word, You believe (asking Jesus into your heart - although I think it is mainly for those who haven’t grown up with the word), then you live your life the way Christ tells us to.

My whole point was that if you are a true Christian you have asked Jesus into your heart, whether or not you have literally said it. By accepting him as Lord, Savior, and ruler of your life you have accepted him into your life.

 

[Nicea325]

Are you saying that I’m incorrect that it stems from Baptist? You might need to clarify that a bit.

Let me expand a little on my background. My biological family is sort of a mix faith that I thought was non-denom, but really is a go between Methodism and Baptist. My step mom’s family are southern Baptist, of which I am more familiar. My wife’s family are Church of Christ. However, growing up in San Antonio, south side off of Flores, I used to visit a friend’s church - Church of Christ. As a member of the Church of Christ, we learned apologetics to defend our faith and to evangelize (Proselytize in some cases). Part of apologetics was learning about other faith beliefs, which was not always quite right, just as many Protestants get Catholic teaching and beliefs all twisted up.

Oops! No I meant to say you were correct it stems from Baptist circles. I typed **incorrect **by error…sorry.

 

[Nicea325]

I never said asking Jesus into your heart means you are saved. You hear the word, You believe (asking Jesus into your heart - although I think it is mainly for those who haven’t grown up with the word), then you live your life the way Christ tells us to.

My whole point was that if you are a true Christian you have asked Jesus into your heart, whether or not you have literally said it. By accepting him as Lord, Savior, and ruler of your life you have accepted him into your life.

I understand what you are saying and I apologize if I misunderstood you.

 

[PbloPicasso]

I never said asking Jesus into your heart means you are saved. You hear the word, You believe (asking Jesus into your heart - although I think it is mainly for those who haven’t grown up with the word), then you live your life the way Christ tells us to.

My whole point was that if you are a true Christian you have asked Jesus into your heart, whether or not you have literally said it. By accepting him as Lord, Savior, and ruler of your life you have accepted him into your life.

You skipped confess that Jesus is Lord and repent of you sins then be baptized.
The 5 step to salvation:
Hear
Believe
repent
confess
baptize

I hear a revival coming… Come to Jesus Come come today, come come today. Feel you heavy burden…

 

[Always_For_Him]

I would love to see this thread continue. It has so much good information in it, but it is so difficult to get my mind around it in a way to give a respectful response to the belief that once you accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour, you WILL go to heaven just because of that. I understand what one of the posters was saying about even though you are Catholic and receive the Eucharist, that does not necessarily mean that each person receiving the Eucharist’s heart is open to receiving Christ as Lord and Saviour and “all that that really means.” How do you explain that you can still sin while loving Christ and what will happen if you die in that state?

 

[ltwin]

I would love to see this thread continue. It has so much good information in it, but it is so difficult to get my mind around it in a way to give a respectful response to the belief that once you accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour, you WILL go to heaven just because of that.

That’s not what many evangelicals believe (some probably do but not everyone). Accepting Jesus into your heart is a starting point. It’s the beginning of the journey. You will only complete the journey if you continue to have faith in Christ and follow the path he has laid for you–the narrow road.

I understand what one of the posters was saying about even though you are Catholic and receive the Eucharist, that does not necessarily mean that each person receiving the Eucharist’s heart is open to receiving Christ as Lord and Saviour and “all that that really means.” How do you explain that you can still sin while loving Christ and what will happen if you die in that state?

Well, “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” We will all sin, even if we love God. I think there is a point, however, where based on the life one leads a person has to ask themselves, “Do I really love Christ? Do I really know him?” The Bible says if we love Jesus, we will obey him. We can’t be perfect, but those who truly love Christ will strive for a life of holiness, even though we will fall short.