At catholic adoration is the host a conscious God?

[dann]

At catholic adoration is the host a conscious God. ?

Can the host God decern your problems?

Or is the host an spirit energy sourse?

 

[ProdglArchitect]

…There is no such thing as God unconscious…

God is never “not there”. He exists, physically, in the Eucharist, but He does not need to sleep. He is there, completely and eternally.

He also does not discern our problems, He knows them, intimately.

I am curious, what do you think God is? Your conception of Him seems to be far closer to pagan gods than to the Catholic understanding of God. I don’t mean that as an insult, it’s a pervasive problem in our culture. There’s just very little knowledge and understanding of God in most people.

 

[paperwight]

…There is no such thing as God unconscious…

God is never “not there”. He exists, physically, in the Eucharist, but He does not need to sleep. He is there, completely and eternally. .

The only thing I would quibble with in your otherwise excellent post is the word ‘physically’.

He is present in a new and unique way, sacramentally. not physically. He is really, truly and substantiaily present, as the Church puts it.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

If it is truly His body and blood, then He is present physically… and more than physically. Sacramentally, yes, but also physically. That is Jesus there, we literally hold his body and blood in our hands. That is a physical reality…

 

[paperwight]

If it is truly His body and blood, then He is present physically… and more than physically. Sacramentally, yes, but also physically. That is Jesus there, we literally hold his body and blood in our hands. That is a physical reality…

No, remember the hymns of St. Thomas Aquinas? ‘Sight, touch and taste are each deceived’

On other words, what we see, touch and taste are not the Real Presence, but the accidents. Not the substance.

If the Real Presence were physical, it would
1, be subject to decay (unthinkable)
2.Not able to be present all over the world simultaneously,
3. Not able to be received by millions without being diminished from the state of being Jesus whole and entire,
4. be able to be destroyed by fire or other natural disaster, or act of violence.

You are confusing the words ‘real’, ‘literal’ and ‘physical’, I suggest.

 

[Maximilian75]

The host is God. Plain and simple.
He is fully conscious, same as when he walked the Earth.
He can discern our problems- same as He does on Heaven.
I really have no idea what a ‘spirit energy sourse (sic)’ is. If you or another poster could inform me, that would be most appreciated.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

I understand the distinction between the accidents and the substance of the Eucharist, but I don’t believe that changes the fact that Jesus is present in a physical way.

Based on what you’re saying, the host merely represents or contain the presence of Jesus, and is not the presence of Jesus itself. I mean, if what I touch is not Jesus, and what I taste is not Jesus, then the Eucharist is not truly Jesus.

The accidents are merely the form something takes. In the Eucharist, it is Jesus’ presence under the appearance of bread and wine. If it is Jesus’ presence, and it is something that I can physically interact with, then that mean’s Jesus is present in a physical way, not merely a spiritual way.

The limitations you set are only if Jesus is only present in the Eucharist, which is not the case.:

1 - God himself is not subject to decay, but the accidents of His presence area.

2 - The Eucharist is not present at all places at once, but the Eucharist is not the whole of God’s existence. Simply because He is in one place physically does not mean that He cannot be in all other places either physically or otherwise.

3 - God is infinite and eternal, therefore any consumption of Him does not diminish Him. Further, once the accidents of the Eucharist are no more (through consumption or decay), it ceases to be Christ.

4 - As noted above, once the accidents of the Eucharist are destroyed (through fire, decay, etc) they cease to be Jesus. And yes, this means that He is physically subject to the flames or other acts of violence. That is why it is such a blasphemous and grievous sin for someone to profane or abuse the Eucharist.

Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist. If He were not, then the Catholic conception of the Eucharist would be incorrect, and the Eucharist would merely contain or represent Jesus; it would not be Him. Certainly, there is a sacramental reality at play here which is beyond our comprehension, but that sacramental reality does not negate the physical reality.

I’m curious about this now, maybe I’ll call in to CAL some time and see what Jimmy Akin or one of the other apologists has to say on the subject. I’m not above admitting when i’m wrong, but your arguments are not convincing to me.