At war with God?

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It has been stated in various entries in the group that the fallen angels are at continual war with God. If you study the big list of God’s attributes, that concept sounds ridiculous. The fallen angles must surely be familiar with that list , and must recognize that war against an immortal God is a silly waste of time. Such a war could never be won. God’s attributes give him more armor than an Abrams tank. In fact how could an all powerful God even conceive letting a bunch of pipsqueak angels affect him by declaring war. Sounds like the primitive thoughts of a lot of bronze age bible writers and early speculative theologians.
 
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God doesn’t fight against these beings, he dominates and reigns over them.

They are at war against God and his creation, but they know they may win battles but the war is already decided.
 
It’s less of a war and more of a futile guerrilla uprising.

Also, why are you talking like this? the whole point of emphasis is for a single thing to stand out, not the whole (badly proofread) paragraph
 
Bold allows me to quickly find my entry. I don’t think you would like Caps, Italics, or Color. As to proof reading, been done thanks for the reminder. I would like to read your opinion on the main question, how could God put up with such nonsense from a bunch of rebel angels. And how could very intelligent angels ever embark on a futile effort to frustrate an almighty God? They should beg for forgiveness and admit defeat. Yes, I’ve read that it is impossible for them to repent but I do not believe that.
 
BOLD ALSO HAS THE EFFECT OF MAKING IT LOOK LIKE YOU’RE TYPING LIKE THIS.

It makes you appear to be yelling, or over-emphasizing everything. If you want to make your text stand out, color it. Or, just use your avatar like everyone else.

As to the question, they HATE God, with every fiber of their being. The only “answer” hatred can provide to love is to attack it, and so the demons are only capable of attacking God. Since they could never hurt Him directly, they attack us, His beloved creation.
 
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Fair enough. That’s a good idea.

Free Will, when combined with eternal damnation, creates some pretty illogical beings…
 
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and must recognize that war
against an immortal God
is a silly waste of time.
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No warfare - is ever silly.
Ask - any soldier.

Your in la la land - to actually think - that demons - fallen angels - are these mere pip squeaks.

I would NOT trust Satan - even if he repented - for a split second.
 
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I’ve always figured that story was simplified for human understanding, and that there were deeper mysteries to it which would blow our minds and leave us catatonic. I mean, the mysteries of the Divine are well beyond us, who are infinitesimal, at best, in comparison. I will agree that the simple story as it is often told doesn’t make sense, and it’s really an extrapolation from the Bible and midrashic sources from what I understand. It’s nowhere directly in the Bible, the closest being in Isaiah where a minor Babylonian king is being compared to Lucifer. There are different levels of understanding these kinds of mysteries, and each person understands it in the way which works best for them. If you don’t take the story literally in any way, it’s best to understand at least that the Devil is the opponent, and Michael the Archangel is the commander of the Army of God, and his name means, “Who is like unto God.” That’s at least the beginning of understanding.
 
To add emphasis to what ProdiglArchitect wrote.

It’s not a war in the sense to vanquish an enemy but their hatred seeks expression in any way possible. They intend to harm God in any way they think possible. Ruining souls is murdering His image and that is their only victory in their rebellion against God.
 
clarkgamble1 - Satan and his little helpers are indeed hateful of God - but having tried frontal rebellion that [of course] led them to a quickest defeat in history, this enduring hatred has found God’s ‘Achilles heel’, His enduring love for each and every human being, and His wish that all would reach out to be with Him in Paradise.

This being so, and Satan knowing that unless humanity is spiritually ‘engaged’ with God, he can lure these humans, so dear to God, even further away from him, with his ultimate target being to deny God that soul by having it refuse to recognise God for what He truly is - our only means of eternal joy and happiness. While the Devil can never feel joy out of denying us communion with God, he can ‘feel’ he has scored ‘points’ and thus derive a kind of perverse ‘feeling/satisfaction’ of a ‘battle won’.
 
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It is out of anger and hatred they fight God, having lost what they once had, having expected God to give them what they felt they deserved (Isaiah 14:12-19).
Now they fight out of anger and desperation (Revelation 12:12).
 
I made a true effort to study all of the Aquinas material in the link given. My only conclusion is that it seems to be a lot of speculative gibberish. I can see why Aquinas said at the end of his life, “…all my writings seem as straw. I will write no more. I go to await my death…” Nothing he says in this reference is anything but seemingly scholarly words that sound good until really analyzed. Then they become just meaningless verbiage.``
 
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I made a true effort to study all of the Aquinas material in the link given. My only conclusion is that it seems to be a lot of speculative gibberish. I can see why Aquinas said at the end of his life, “…all my writings seem as straw. I will write no more. I go to await my death…” Nothing he says in this reference is anything but seemingly scholarly words that sound good until really analyzed. Then they become just meaningless verbiage.``
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That quote from Aquinas was in reference to his inability to ever convey on paper the true beauty, grandeur and majesty of God. It did not mean that he thought his writings as irrelevant or inaccurate, but rather that when compared to the incomprehensible magnitude of God, all the volumes he had written were almost nothing.

Your lack of understanding of this quote he made out of humility demonstrates either an ignorance of or a marked lack of effort to understand Aquinas.

If you can so quickly and so completely discredit one of the most prolifically written and highly regarded doctors of the Church with such an insulting and flippant assessment, then I am afraid there is little anyone on these forums will be able to do to help to convince you otherwise.
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They appear as straw, the dried stalks of grain, of wheat - words which even at their best can only point to the reality of the bread that is the reality of the living Christ.
 
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