Atheism is incompatible with science

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You keep talking about self-causation being impossible. It makes sense to me that something cannot cause itself because for it to do that it would have to exist prior to existing. However, we do not know whether something can be uncaused. All of our experience and laws are within the context of our universe, and we don’t know whether things can be uncaused in other contexts, and there is some evidence of uncaused things within our own universe.
there is no evidence of uncaused things, there is only an inability to find or know the causitive factor, VP, VF, etc, are contingent on a vacuum, and vacuum energy already existing. that mere contingency would seem to indicate a causitive factor does exist.

the rule would hold true in any context, that which doesnt exist cant act because it doesnt exist.

so you are saying there may have been something that existed without cause prior to the universe?

welcome to theism. 🙂

thats exactly what we believe too.
 
You keep talking about self-causation being impossible. It makes sense to me that something cannot cause itself because for it to do that it would have to exist prior to existing. However, we do not know whether something can be uncaused. All of our experience and laws are within the context of our universe, and we don’t know whether things can be uncaused in other contexts, and there is some evidence of uncaused things within our own universe.
here is something i ran across on the internet that explains it in less time than it would take me to type it. lol.

The atheist may argue that things may not begin to exist uncaused in our universal experience now , but they could begin to exist uncaused at the beginning of the universe where conditions were different .** But we must note that the term “uncaused” means not linked to any prior conditions . So even if conditions at the beginning of the universe were different from our universal experience , that wouldn’t have favored the occurence of uncaused events such that they could happen at the beginning of the universe but not in our universal experience .** Indeed , if something can begin to exist uncaused , then it **should be expected to occur in any sort of universal experience **, unconstrained by any conditions whatsoever . As Dr William Lane Craig wrote :

" Consider, nonetheless, Jonathan Edwards’s argument on behalf of the causal principle:** if something can come into being uncaused out of nothing, then it is
inexplicable why anything and everything does not do so.** Oppy says that any and everything does not come into being uncaused out of nothing because some things
have actual causes. Of course, they do; but what is the explanation for that fact and for the fact that people, televisions, and Eskimo villages do not pop
into being uncaused out of nothing, if this is, as Oppy proceeds to assert, possible? He seems to answer that “. . . our universe is governed by
certain conservation laws which ensure that such things do not actually happen.” But this explanation is inadequate because insofar as natural
laws are inductive generalizations, they are merely descriptions of what does or does not happen in the universe; and insofar as they are invested with nomic
necessity, such necessity derives solely from the causal powers and dispositions of things that actually exist. In neither case is any sort of
constraint placed on things’ springing uncaused out of nothingness into being. After all, there is nothing there to be constrained. So does it not strike one as peculiar that it is only the universe which comes magically into being out of nothing rather than all sorts of other
things as well? "
(From Graham Oppy on the Kalam Cosmological Argument)
 
Atheism is incompatible with science because it is incompatible with the nature of scientists as humans. We, as people, instinctively know that our nature is not meant to be cold and empty.

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granny

Human life longs for the fullness of love.
 
Atheism is incompatible with science because it is incompatible with the nature of scientists as humans. We, as people, instinctively know that our nature is not meant to be cold and empty.

:flowers:
granny

Human life longs for the fullness of love.
hi granny, how are you?

you and i can accept that, but to get others to do so requires some beating about the head with the bumbershoot of rationalism! 🙂
 
hi granny, how are you?
Hi warpspeedpetey,

I’m doing fine except there is a silly question which keeps rolling back and forth in the space between my right ear and my left ear. Here it is: If atheism is incompatible with science, what is compatible with science? Please, don’t anyone answer more science.

Somehow, we as people instinctively know that our nature is not meant to be cold and empty. There is more to being human than what meets the scientific eye. Thus, I keep worrying about how is science going to find something to fill our cold empty spot. Multi-function cell phones won’t do.

It is not granny’s nature to over worry even if it means coming up with a silly answer. Here it is: While science is concerned with the sensory realm, it is actually founded on basic curiosity which cannot be put in a petri dish. On the other hand, there is so much in our natural world that invites curious exploration. So why can’t someone addicted to the idea that “science has the only answer” pretend to be a petri dish in the middle of our amazing world and take in the intangible wonders of the universe letting the spiritual grow like the culturing of microorganisms.

As I laughingly think about this, it is actually the Divine Creator of universal science that is compatible with every element within science. Like a cook is compatible with stew. I so like the word compatible. Imagine, we humans being compatible with God. 😃

Blessings,
granny

Human life is meant for eternal life.
 
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