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I have a relative who has a son in his 40’s who is dying of cancer. The son is very bitter and doesn’t believe in God. He doesn’t even want God’s name mentioned. His mother is so worried that he will die without God’s comfort

What would you advise to help from scripture or from your experience. I want to help the mother who is suffering. At same time the son is obviously going through hell on earth with his illness. He probably feels abandoned by God and angry at Him

Thanks and best regards,

Ralph
 
Gosh!

Hail Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blest is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. :bible1:
 
Pray for him, because when a person reaches that point, that’s about all we can do for them…
 
My advice is to ask him to watch some videos on YouTube made by children, atheists, and agnostics who have gone to Heaven, some to Hell, and some to both. All of them came back not only believing in God, but also shouting out His Supremecy to everyone they can.

You can also have him watch the video I made when I was in a coma and went to Heaven. I was enveloped in the whitest, purest light one could ever imagine. I felt nothing but the greatest peace, love and joy possible. God spoke to me and told me that it was not my time because He still has work for me to do. Then I saw my husband who told me I had to go back, but that he would be there waiting for me. I didn’t want to come back. I only woke up after my brother-in-law prayed over me. I remembered nothing but that experience–not what was wrong with me or why I was in ICU. Here is a link to my video:

youtube.com/watch?v=DV_IeRlIWVU

Now, I will do whatever God wants me to do, or go wherever God wants me to go. I tell everyone I meet in person and online about the magesty of our loving and forgiving God, who sent His only Son to give us salvation through His death on the cross.

Look up “near death experiences” on YouTube. There you will find countless people who tell very explicitely of their experiences. Nothing is impossible with God. Everything is to be gained through prayer.

My thoughts and prayers are with you, and especially your son. I will pray for you both diligently and faithfully. May God bless you and keep you both in His loving arms today and until eternity.
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My uncle never went to church except for weddings and funerals.

Until the day he died he wanted nothing to do with God.

On the day he died, he accepted a visit from a priest.

Don’t give up on him. Pray for him. When the end comes, he may not be able to resist the call to reconcile with the Father. Make sure there is something there to get a priest to him in that event.
 
The Divine Mercy Chaplet is especially for those who are dieing.
 
I am adding my prayers for this poor soul…

Hail Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.

Amen

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sonny44870 said:
He probably feels abandoned by God and angry at Him
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I certainly can’t speak for this man, but if he truly is an atheist then it’s because he doesn’t believe your god exists. It’s not that he feels abandoned by God or is angry with him.

Think about what he might be feeling right now. He’s still aware of the existence of christianity. He knows his time is short and people want to use that time to try and convince him of something is incorrect. Now I am all for friends and family giving it a go to see if he’s willing to see the proverbial light – once. If he tells them that he is not interested and is adamant about that, it would be cruel to deny a dying man the small comfort of not having to defend himself repeatedly in his last days. At no point should the situation go from praying on the man to preying upon the man in his weakened state.

Again, this is all speculation on my part, but he likely perceives the people he loves are far more focused on his afterlife than the one life he knows is real.

Be good to him and let him be.
 
Say this beautiful prayer for him… often.

A PRAYER FOR THE DYING AND A SPECIAL SOUL

O MOST MERCIFUL JESUS, lover of souls,
I beseech Thee, by the agony of Thy most Sacred Heart,
and by the sorrows of Thine Immaculate Mother,
wash clean in Thy Blood the sinners of the whole world
who are to die this day.

Remember most especially the soul I spiritually adopt
with the intention of entrusting him or her to Thy Shepherd’s care:
I beseech Thee for the grace to move this sinner, who is in
danger of going to Hell, to repent. I ask this because of my
trust in Thy great mercy.

If it should please Thy Majesty to send me a suffering this day
in exchange for the grace I ask for this soul, then, it, too,
shall please me very much, and I thank Thee, Most Sweet Jesus,
Shepherd and Lover of Souls; I thank Thee for this
opportunity to give mercy in thanksgiving for all the mercies
Thou hast shown me. Amen.

Heart of Jesus, once in agony, have mercy on the dying.
 
Mike_from_NJ said:
I certainly can’t speak for this man, but if he truly is an atheist then it’s because he doesn’t believe your god exists. It’s not that he feels abandoned by God or is angry with him.

Think about what he might be feeling right now. He’s still aware of the existence of christianity. He knows his time is short and people want to use that time to try and convince him of something is incorrect. Now I am all for friends and family giving it a go to see if he’s willing to see the proverbial light – once. If he tells them that he is not interested and is adamant about that, it would be cruel to deny a dying man the small comfort of not having to defend himself repeatedly in his last days. At no point should the situation go from praying on the man to preying upon the man in his weakened state.

Again, this is all speculation on my part, but he likely perceives the people he loves are far more focused on his afterlife than the one life he knows is real.

Be good to him and let him be.
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I agree with this. 👍

As for what you can do to help his mother…help her pray that God have mercy on him.
Help her to have hope and to trust on the Lord to be both merciful and just.
There is really little more that can be done.

Peace
James
 
The Rosary! The Chaplet of Divine Mercy!
And the Green Scapular!
 
sonny44870 said:
I have a relative who has a son in his 40’s who is dying of cancer. The son is very bitter and doesn’t believe in God. He doesn’t even want God’s name mentioned. His mother is so worried that he will die without God’s comfort

What would you advise to help from scripture or from your experience. I want to help the mother who is suffering. At same time the son is obviously going through hell on earth with his illness. He probably feels abandoned by God and angry at Him

Thanks and best regards,

Ralph
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I would agree with Dtmccacameron about the green scapular. For Mary’s gift is given to us precisely for the gift of faith and/or die a peaceful death. The nice part about this scapular is that if the person to whom it is given refuses to keep it or accept it, then the person who tried to give it may then hid it their mattress, picture, book, or somewhere around them without them being aware of it. Then the prayer “Immaculate Heart of Mary pray for us now and at the our of our death.” must be prayed each day. Also it must be blessed. And the person giving it must have trust that Mary will keep her word. This confidence is very important, but should be easy to have since she has never sinned or lied. So just believe her words and hid the scapular around in their room somewhere. By the way, being an atheist is no problem.

Here is a true story.​

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=11044374#post11044374
Although I have been a long wearing brown scauplar - 24/7 - the Green is my favorite. If you read about it - the promises of the Green Scapular do not depend on the person you igve it to - the promises are on you the giver. Yes they need not even know you have placed it in their home.

I offered my Dad a scapular as he was failing in heal - knowing that he did not fully accept his Catholic Faith. He kept it in his pocket. I prayed for five intentions for his death:
  1. That he would not die alone - his greatest fear…
  2. …Or even better that we siblings would be with him
  3. That he would be receive the Anointing of the Sick and Viaticum
  4. For him to die at the great hour of mercy…
  5. …on a great feast day of the Church
After feeling selfish I asked God to grant only one of these and I would know that my prayers with the Green Scapular had been heard.

My Dad died on Holy Saturday at 3:15 PM with all of us at his side after he had been Annointed and given Viaticum at 1:30!

Give those Green Scapulars away and begin to pray!​

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.
 
If your relative ever wants to talk about God and His existence or you decide to talk to him about it, you can basically say, “look, I know you aren’t thrilled about God but I’ve got to tell you that He exists.” You can give proof using Pascal’s wager: If I believe in God and find out He doesn’t exist when I die, what is it to me, but if i don’t believe and find out He exists, I’m screwed. Also, we live in a world where everything has a cause. Even if the world was created by a big bang, something had to cause the big bang. Nothing only ever produces nothing, so there has to be a Supreme cause: the Creator. then for reasons to believe in Christ: wouldn’t you rather have a God who loves you than a God who doesnt give a fig if you live or die or whatever? Tell him that Christ can indeed heal him but he has to let him then tell him you can bring a priest for a healing blessing. Bring a trustworthy priest if he permits you to and let him have a blessing. Have courage to do this, it is no easy feat but if no Christian had the courage to tell the pagans the Truth, where would we be? Act with love and faith and all things will be provided for the advancement of the Kingdom:knight2:❤️
 
:gopray2:

Domine Iesu, dimitte nobis debita nostra, salva nos ab igne inferiori, perduc in caelum omnes animas, praesertim eas, quae misericordiae tuae maxime indigent. Amen.

:crossrc:
 
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.

Amen.

:crossrc:
 
sonny44870 said:
I have a relative who has a son in his 40’s who is dying of cancer. The son is very bitter and doesn’t believe in God. He doesn’t even want God’s name mentioned. His mother is so worried that he will die without God’s comfort

What would you advise to help from scripture or from your experience. I want to help the mother who is suffering. At same time the son is obviously going through hell on earth with his illness. He probably feels abandoned by God and angry at Him

Thanks and best regards,

Ralph
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I don’t want to sound negative, but there is a limit to what you can do. You can pray for him, and you probably already are. You can ask him if he’s prepared to just talk with a priest. Maybe you can find out why he’s so bitter - if he’s an atheist who doesn’t believe in God, then you can point out to him that it’s somewhat non-sensical to be blaming God for his troubles when he doesn’t even think God exists.

You can pray for his mother. She probably needs the prayers as much as he does.

And you can be blunt with him - tell him his atheism is his own choice, no one else’s, and that the consequences of that choice are his. That might sound cruel at this particular point in time, but maybe the only way to get him to think about his position is to point out just where he’s at.

A quote I remember from my old pastor, who no doubt visited quite a number of dying people, both Christians and non-Christians, is that people usually die pretty much how they lived. If he’s been bitter for a long time, you’re going to have an uphill battle changing his attitude now.

Just maybe If you can get to the root cause of the bitterness, I suppose you might have a chance.
 
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.

Amen.

:crossrc:
 
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.

Amen.

:crossrc:
 
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