Attending a funeral liturgy at an Antioch Orthodox church today, any advice?

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The title says it all, pretty much: The father of a friend of my husband passed on, and the funeral is today. The family are members of an Antioch Orthodox church, and no disrespect is intended, but I had never heard of this particular church.

I have to admit that I never have bothered to educate myself about the distinctions between Orthodox, Orthodox Catholic, and Eastern Catholic.

I suspect that Roman Catholics are not to receive the Eucharist at the Antioch Orthodox church, from what I read on the website of the church where the funeral is being held, but beyond that, I’m clueless.

Can anyone give me a quick crash course, please, such as what would be expected of me (other than the obvious of behaving as if I’m in church?)

Thank you for your time.
 
The title says it all, pretty much: The father of a friend of my husband passed on, and the funeral is today. The family are members of an Antioch Orthodox church, and no disrespect is intended, but I had never heard of this particular church.

I have to admit that I never have bothered to educate myself about the distinctions between Orthodox, Orthodox Catholic, and Eastern Catholic.

I suspect that Roman Catholics are not to receive the Eucharist at the Antioch Orthodox church, from what I read on the website of the church where the funeral is being held, but beyond that, I’m clueless.

Can anyone give me a quick crash course, please, such as what would be expected of me (other than the obvious of behaving as if I’m in church?)

Thank you for your time.
There will be some chanting, psalm 50 [51] and some priests prayers.

Just watch and listen.
 
Wear good shoes, a lot of Greek Orthodox churches are standing room only and you may be expected to stand for an hour or more.
 
I have only experienced funerals in Russian Orthodox and Greek Orthodox, not Antiochian. I would expect the body of the reposed in a coffin to be present, open coffin. I do not think this will be a Eucharistic service. There will be many repetitions of prayers, psalms, scripture which may not be in English, or partially in English. If the service is largely not in Engish you could recite the rosary in your own mind for example, or just pray in your own way. There should be many holy icons to contemplate.

There will likely be the “final kiss” where people will file past the reposed in the open coffin to give him a final kiss. If you knew the deceased and wish to participate in that you can, but it wouldn’t be disrespectful to not do this if you did not know him.

There will be probably considerably more incense than at a funeral in the Latin/Roman Catholic Church. Uniformity of posture is not held as so important in Orthodoxy generally as much as it is in a Latin Catholic Church. You should stand or sit, if there are pews (probably) as you see others do. Some may be sitting while others are standing. The clergy may gesture “sit, sit” to encourage people to sit when more traditionally standing is the posture.

The clergy and faithful will expect people to be present who are not Orthodox and are unfamilar with the service. Ask respectfully if something comes up & you are unsure what to do.

My first experience with Orthodoxy was a Greek Orthodox funeral of the grandfather of my best friend when I was about 10. It had a powerful (name removed by moderator)act on me. I’m sure your husband’s friend and his family will be grateful for your presence at this service.
 
I do not think this will be a Eucharistic service.
5Loaves and the other posters have given you sound advice.

If by chance it is a funeral Divine Liturgy (Mass, as is the custom of some Eastern Rite churches with which I am most familiar), then the priest will certainly make an announcement regarding reception of sacraments indicating that non-Orthodox could not be offered the Holy Eucharist. If not, you are now “in the know”.

I can only add that Orthodox and Eastern Catholic funeral services are deeply spiritual. We pray for the repose of the soul and for the living who grieve their loss, reflecting on the promise of salvation brought by Christ’s death and resurrection. Further, Orthodox faithful also tend to be very strongly tied to their Church. I’m sure your friend and the family will appreciate that you have attended the church service, as they realize it will not be familiar to you, but your respectful witness will be well appreciated.

Although an unhappy occasion, a funeral service will give you a pretty deep and meaningful exposure to Orthodoxy - we do pray for your friend’s family and also for you, that this experience may add to your faith.
 
If by chance it is a funeral Divine Liturgy
My understanding is that there is not a Eucahsitic Liturgy with the funeral service in the Holy Orthodox Church…with a possible exception of ACROD at the request of the family.
 
I did attend today, and I’m glad that I did: Nine years ago, I lost my own father at Christmastide; the funeral itself was on Christmas eve morning. I vowed to myself that I would never, ever avoid offering my presence as support if a friend had a loved one who died at Christmastime. I can’t begin to share how painful that was, and how much sheer will I’ve exerted in the interim years to not let that unhappy event ruin Christmas for me and those around me. AMDG, as I’ve learned in the Spiritual Exercises.

In any case, it was a most reverent service; it was in a language I do not understand a word of, perhaps Aramaic, being that the deceased was from Syria. I found the presence of the body in an open casket for the first part of the service a little startling, and witnessing the family’s sheer grief wrenched my heart as well as made me feel a little voyeuristic. To my decidedly American mind, that seems like too intimate a time to be shared by strangers. The display of grief may have been a middle eastern cultural feature, I’ve been used to American funerals where the mourners are not visibly as bereft and sobbing. My husband’s friend, the eldest son of the family, however, was very American and “stiff upper lip” about it. I did get a chance to pull him aside later, though, and he told me what an effort it was to be strong for the sake of his mother and sisters.

I had guessed correctly about the incense, those of you who have heard me hold forth about it know I’m pretty allergic to it. I took an antihistamine and sat well in the back of the church. Fortunately, it is a pretty modern construction, with an efficient HVAC system, and I only got a few whiffs (it did smell complex and heavenly,) and did not react to it.

Of course, I was impressed by the iconography and stained glass. Being a modern church, these were of very realistic depiction, not gothic or arabesque, as I had expected. It was odd, though, to see the altar completely screened for a good part of the service. When they finally did open the screen to the altar, there was a large mural behind the altar, on what would correspond to the redros in a Catholic church. One thing had struck me as pretty odd, though–a depiction of an angel in the sky holding a very thin Orthodox cross. Unfortunately, it looked as if the angel was holding an old fashioned television antenna. True to form, my Lutheran husband managed to doze off a couple of times during the liturgy, which was pretty long (I think about an hour and forty five minutes,) but since he was not snoring, I let him do so.

There is nothing more dismal than standing near an open grave on a dank, overcast, thirty-eight degree December day, but I did go (having had the good foresight to have brought my waterproof gardening clogs with me in the car.) To my mind, again, being an American Catholic, where mercifully, we don’t freeze next to a grave for half an hour or so, it was a little protracted, but again, very reverent. We then dispersed to the funeral brunch.

At the funeral brunch, some of the eldest son’s colleagues, including us, were seated at the same table the clergy was at. I used the occasion to keep my eyes and ears open, and asked a few questions about the differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. We had a lively but respectful conversation, I was a little surprised to realize that they consider us in schism, and I asked that he join me in a prayer to the effect that the wounds in the Body of Christ be healed, and soon. He composed such a prayer on the spot, and all at our table appeared very edified by that.

If one considers funerals spiritually enlarging, it was an interesting cultural and spiritual experience. Please pray for our friend and his family as they start life without their dear father’s presence on earth, and please pray for the persecuted church, whether it be Orthodox or Catholic, in Syria. They are our spiritual kinsmen, right there near where Christianity all began, and deserve our prayers and good thoughts.
 
My understanding is that there is not a Eucahsitic Liturgy with the funeral service in the Holy Orthodox Church…with a possible exception of ACROD at the request of the family.
Thanks Mickey - thought that was so, just erring on the side of caution …
If one considers funerals spiritually enlarging, it was an interesting cultural and spiritual experience. Please pray for our friend and his family as they start life without their dear father’s presence on earth, and please pray for the persecuted church, whether it be Orthodox or Catholic, in Syria. They are our spiritual kinsmen, right there near where Christianity all began, and deserve our prayers and good thoughts.
odile53 - it is good that you went, and glad you feel that way afterward. We pray for you and your family as well, now having learned that you lost your father this time of year, not so long ago. May his memory be eternal! We also pray with you as requested. The Church in the Middle East is under severe strain, and there have been many recent calls from the Catholic (Eastern and Western) and Orthodox communities in recognition and support. We are indeed all brothers and sisters in Christ - their pain is ours as well!

May the Lord bring you, your family, your friend’s family, our spiritual brethren in Syria, and the families of all those who posted here, His choicest blessings in this New Year!
 
@ByzCathCantor–ohh, thank you for those kind words! “His choicest blessings–” how wonderful! And I pray too for you and yours!
 
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