Aware of new GIRM and Roman Missal since November 2008?

[John_Lilburne]

A different Latin edition of the Roman Missal was published on October 6, 2008 and it is different to the 2002 edition.

The change in the GIRM is in n. 149. The currently approved translation for the USA has: “If, however, the Bishop is celebrating outside his own diocese, after the words Papa nostro N. (N., our Pope), he adds, et me indigno famulo tuo, et fratre meo N., Episcopo huius Ecclesiae N. (me, your unworthy servant, and my brother N., the Bishop of this Church of N.).”

But it seems this has been wrong since November 2008, with the new unofficial translation being: “If, however, the bishop is celebrating outside his own diocese, after the words N., our pope, he adds: ‘and my brother N., the bishop of this church, and me, your unworthy servant’”

Similarly if the Mass is celebrated in Latin then three new blessings could have been added. The Latin is not given in the article, but in English they are: “Go and announce the Gospel of the Lord”, “Go in peace, glorifying the Lord by your life”, and “Go in peace”.

The article is in the April 2009 edition of the USCCB’s Committee on the Liturgy Newsletter, which should become available at usccb.org/liturgy/innews/2009archives.shtml . It has been reprinted, and is now available on the internet at Adoremus Bulletin June-July 2009 edition adoremus.org/0609NewsViews.html .

Staying up to date with the liturgical laws is expensive. The only way seems to be to buy each new liturgical book as it is published in Latin. Subscribing to the Newsletter means finding out 6 months after the change. Relying on the internet means 7 months after the change. Has anyone seen this information earlier?

Has

 

[bpbasilphx]

According to English etiquette, shouldn’t the bishop-celebrant commemorate himself last?

 

[AJV]

A different Latin edition of the Roman Missal was published on October 6, 2008 and it is different to the 2002 edition.

The change in the GIRM is in n. 149. The currently approved translation for the USA has: “If, however, the Bishop is celebrating outside his own diocese, after the words Papa nostro N. (N., our Pope), he adds, et me indigno famulo tuo, et fratre meo N., Episcopo huius Ecclesiae N. (me, your unworthy servant, and my brother N., the Bishop of this Church of N.).”

But it seems this has been wrong since November 2008, with the new unofficial translation being: “If, however, the bishop is celebrating outside his own diocese, after the words N., our pope, he adds: ‘and my brother N., the bishop of this church, and me, your unworthy servant’”

"149. Sacerdos prosequitur Precem eucharisticam iuxta rubricas, quae in singulis Precibus exponuntur.

Si celebrans est Episcopus, in Precibus, post verba: Papa nostro N. , subiungit: et me indigno famulo tuo, vel post verba: Papae nostri N. , subiungit: mei indigni famuli tui. Si autem Episcopus extra dioecesim suam celebrat, post verba: Papa nostro N. , subiungit: et fratre meo N., Episcopo huius Ecclesiae, et me indigno famulo tuo, vel post verba: Papae nostri N. , subiungit: fratris mei N. , Episcopi huius Ecclesiae, et mei indigni famuli tui.

Episcopus dioecesanus, aut qui eidem in iure aequiparatus est, nominari debet hac formula: una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro N. et Episcopo (vel: Vicario, Praelato, Praefecto, Abbate) nostro N.

Episcopos Coadiutorem et Auxiliares, non autem alios Episcopos forte praesentes, nominari licet in Prece eucharistica. Quando plures nominandi sunt, dicitur sub formula generali: et Episcopo nostro N. eiusque Episcopis adiutoribus.
In unaquaque Prece eucharistica, praedictae formulae aptandae sunt, normis grammaticorum attentis.

Similarly if the Mass is celebrated in Latin then three new blessings could have been added. The Latin is not given in the article, but in English they are: “Go and announce the Gospel of the Lord”, “Go in peace, glorifying the Lord by your life”, and “Go in peace”.

Ite, ad Evangelium Domini annuntiandum.

vel

Ite in pace, glorificando vita vestra Dominum

vel

Ite in pace.

 

[benedictgal]

This change actually comes from Sacramentum Caritatis. The Holy Father suggested new alternative dismissals. These dismissals, though, I do not think they can be used until the entire new English translation is approved.

 

[John_Lilburne]

… These dismissals, though, I do not think they can be used until the entire new English translation is approved.

I agree, these should not be used when celebrating mass in English. But mass can be celebrated in Latin, so the Latin texts provided can be used.

 

[rinkevichjm]

A different Latin edition of the Roman Missal was published on October 6, 2008 and it is different to the 2002 edition.

The change in the GIRM is in n. 149. The currently approved translation for the USA has: “If, however, the Bishop is celebrating outside his own diocese, after the words Papa nostro N. (N., our Pope), he adds, et me indigno famulo tuo, et fratre meo N., Episcopo huius Ecclesiae N. (me, your unworthy servant, and my brother N., the Bishop of this Church of N.).”

But it seems this has been wrong since November 2008, with the new unofficial translation being: “If, however, the bishop is celebrating outside his own diocese, after the words N., our pope, he adds: ‘and my brother N., the bishop of this church, and me, your unworthy servant’”

Similarly if the Mass is celebrated in Latin then three new blessings could have been added. The Latin is not given in the article, but in English they are: “Go and announce the Gospel of the Lord”, “Go in peace, glorifying the Lord by your life”, and “Go in peace”.

The article is in the April 2009 edition of the USCCB’s Committee on the Liturgy Newsletter, which should become available at usccb.org/liturgy/innews/2009archives.shtml . It has been reprinted, and is now available on the internet at Adoremus Bulletin June-July 2009 edition adoremus.org/0609NewsViews.html .

Staying up to date with the liturgical laws is expensive. The only way seems to be to buy each new liturgical book as it is published in Latin. Subscribing to the Newsletter means finding out 6 months after the change. Relying on the internet means 7 months after the change. Has anyone seen this information earlier?

Has

In English, the first person, for grammatical reasons, is reserved for the final position of any conjugational phrase, so the translation ‘and my brother N., the bishop of this church, and me, your unworthy servant’ is proper. Latin doesn’t have order requirements and the first person often is inserted earlier.

 

[peregrinus_sg]

The changes were made public when the “slightly” amended editio typica tertia of the Missale Romanum was published towards the end of last year. I recall the information you mentioned last year already.

Besides etting the complete Latin edition of the Missale, you can also consider getting a supplement published by Libreria Editrice Vaticana. It costs about 10 euros a copy and includes the new Mass texts and the amended IGMR.

 

[AJV]

I’ve created a Supplement, and another sheet listing the change to be made, aside from Scripture reference corrections. I’m still going over it to check for spellings and the like, but otherwise, it’s pretty complete except for things like the Index, and other minor matters.

 

[sancte_joseph]

I’ve created a Supplement, and another sheet listing the change to be made, aside from Scripture reference corrections. I’m still going over it to check for spellings and the like, but otherwise, it’s pretty complete except for things like the Index, and other minor matters.

one thing that struck rather odd while quickly scanning through the above links is the fact that they are deleting “unum” from “Credo in unum Deum”

I asked myself why? Since the creed includes that unum why would they take it out in mass… or are they taking it out in the creed too… and if so… again i ask WHY??? i just don’t think its right just my 2 cents.

 

[peregrinus_sg]

one thing that struck rather odd while quickly scanning through the above links is the fact that they are deleting “unum” from “Credo in unum Deum”

I asked myself why? Since the creed includes that unum why would they take it out in mass… or are they taking it out in the creed too… and if so… again i ask WHY??? i just don’t think its right just my 2 cents.

Don’t fret. The “unum” is removed from the Apostles Creed. In the earlier printing, they made a mistake of starting the Apostles Creed with “Credo in unum Deum” when it should be “Credo in Deum”.

The “unum” is still there for the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.

 

[John_Lilburne]

I’ve created a Supplement, and another sheet listing the change to be made, aside from Scripture reference corrections. I’m still going over it to check for spellings and the like, but otherwise, it’s pretty complete except for things like the Index, and other minor matters.

Thank you for these links to changes2008.doc and supplement.doc . The information in them is very helpful for understanding these changes.

So the change in the GIRM is the second paragraph of n. 149. The 2002 GIRM had (with changed section in my bold text):
“Si celebrans est Episcopus, in Precibus, post verba: Papa nostro N. , subiungit: et me indigno famulo tuo, vel post verba: Papae nostri N., subiungit: mei indigni famuli tui. Si autem Episcopus extra dioecesim suam celebrat, post verba: Papa nostro N., subiungit: et me indigno famulo tuo, et fratre meo N., Episcopo huius Ecclesiae N., vel post verba: Papae nostri N., subiungit: mei indigni famuli tui, et fratris mei N., Episcopi huius Ecclesiae N.”

In the 2008 GIRM it is:
"Si celebrans est Episcopus, in Precibus, post verba: Papa nostro N., subiungit: et me indigno famulo tuo, vel post verba: Papae nostri N., subiungit: mei indigni famuli tui. Si autem Episcopus extra dioecesim suam celebrat, post verba: Papa nostro N., subiungit: et fratre meo N., Episcopo huius Ecclesiae, et me indigno famulo tuo, vel post verba: Papae nostri N., subiungit: fratris mei N., Episcopi huius Ecclesiae, et mei indigni famuli tui.

The approved translation of the 2002 GIRM for the USA is:
“If the celebrant is a Bishop, in the Prayers, after the words Papa nostro N. (N., our Pope), he adds, et me, indigno famulo tuo (and me, your unworthy servant). If, however, the Bishop is celebrating outside his own diocese, after the words Papa nostro N. (N., our Pope), he adds, et me indigno famulo tuo, et fratre meo N., Episcopo huius Ecclesiae N. (me, your unworthy servant, and my brother N., the Bishop of this Church of N.).”

So the word order changes. Also there is no naming of the Church. It will be “this Church” rather than “this Church of N.”