B16 and Latin

[netmilsmom]

Pope set to return to traditional liturgy
By Roland Flamini
Chief International Correspondent
Jun. 18, 2005 at 7:40PM

Pope Benedict XVI wants to restore the traditional ceremonial Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica, with Latin instead of the vernacular and Gregorian chants.
Vatican expert Sandro Magister reported in his weekly newsletter Saturday that the pope is expected to replace Archbishop Pietro Marini, his predecessor Pope John Paul II’s master of liturgical ceremonies.
Whoever follows Marini will have orders to restore the traditional style and choreography of papal ceremonies in St. Peter’s.
Out will go the “international” Masses so dear to Pope John Paul II’s heart, with such innovations as Latin American and African rhythms and even dancing, multi-lingual readings and children in national costumes bringing gifts to the altar.
Pope Benedict wants to return to the Sistine Chapel choirs singing Gregorian chant and the church music of such composers as Claudio Monteverdi from the 17th century. He also wants to revive the Latin Mass.
Archbishop Marini always planned the ceremonies with television in mind, Magister said, and that emphasis will remain. A decade ago the Vatican set up a system for transmitting papal ceremonies world wide via multiple satellites.

 

[viktor_aleksndr]

Pope set to return to traditional liturgy
By Roland Flamini
Chief International Correspondent
Jun. 18, 2005 at 7:40PM

Pope Benedict XVI wants to restore the traditional ceremonial Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica, with Latin instead of the vernacular and Gregorian chants.
Vatican expert Sandro Magister reported in his weekly newsletter Saturday that the pope is expected to replace Archbishop Pietro Marini, his predecessor Pope John Paul II’s master of liturgical ceremonies.
Whoever follows Marini will have orders to restore the traditional style and choreography of papal ceremonies in St. Peter’s.
Out will go the “international” Masses so dear to Pope John Paul II’s heart, with such innovations as Latin American and African rhythms and even dancing, multi-lingual readings and children in national costumes bringing gifts to the altar.
Pope Benedict wants to return to the Sistine Chapel choirs singing Gregorian chant and the church music of such composers as Claudio Monteverdi from the 17th century. He also wants to revive the Latin Mass.
Archbishop Marini always planned the ceremonies with television in mind, Magister said, and that emphasis will remain. A decade ago the Vatican set up a system for transmitting papal ceremonies world wide via multiple satellites.

I think Latin Mass should really be done in Vatican City because it is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church. I think the only thing that should not be in Latin is the Homily. With regards to television, i think there many translators available to translate latin to English. I always watch Holy Mass in St. Peter’s and it is in Italian, we’ll i dont understand italian but i can understand the mass because of translations.

 

[Brain]

The mass is its own universal language. go to any mass anywhere on earth (except perhaps left or right dissident parishes), and you can track what is being said and done at any point, that is if the mass is being doen right.

besides that, but I would prefer Vatican masses to be latin, this is true. Though i have never seen anything so cool as B16’s inaugeral mass, the sung gospel in latin and greek and the other east and west combinations. But of course, it was a very special occasion and to do that often would cheapen it.

 

[netmilsmom]

Brain:

The mass is its own universal language. go to any mass anywhere on earth (except perhaps left or right dissident parishes), and you can track what is being said and done at any point, that is if the mass is being doen right.

besides that, but I would prefer Vatican masses to be latin, this is true. Though i have never seen anything so cool as B16’s inaugeral mass, the sung gospel in latin and greek and the other east and west combinations. But of course, it was a very special occasion and to do that often would cheapen it.

Oh I don’t know. I went to a Polish funeral and was pretty lost. If we got a smattering of Latin, it would have been easier to follow.

 

[Scotty_PGH]

Pope set to return to traditional liturgy
By Roland Flamini
Chief International Correspondent
Jun. 18, 2005 at 7:40PM

Pope Benedict XVI wants to restore the traditional ceremonial Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica, with Latin instead of the vernacular and Gregorian chants.
Vatican expert Sandro Magister reported in his weekly newsletter Saturday that the pope is expected to replace Archbishop Pietro Marini, his predecessor Pope John Paul II’s master of liturgical ceremonies.
Whoever follows Marini will have orders to restore the traditional style and choreography of papal ceremonies in St. Peter’s.
Out will go the “international” Masses so dear to Pope John Paul II’s heart, with such innovations as Latin American and African rhythms and even dancing, multi-lingual readings and children in national costumes bringing gifts to the altar.
Pope Benedict wants to return to the Sistine Chapel choirs singing Gregorian chant and the church music of such composers as Claudio Monteverdi from the 17th century. He also wants to revive the Latin Mass.
Archbishop Marini always planned the ceremonies with television in mind, Magister said, and that emphasis will remain. A decade ago the Vatican set up a system for transmitting papal ceremonies world wide via multiple satellites.

If this is true, it’s certainly a step in the right direction.

I’d really like to see the pope wear the traditional tiara, though. I saw a special on Pius XII this weekend on EWTN, and it’s striking to see how much more majestic the popes were, up until John XXIII. Does anyone know if the tiara is still in the Vatican’s posession? I read on one of those borderline sedevacantist sites that Paul VI sold it. I can’t imagine that this is true, but does anyone know for sure?

 

[ComradeAndrei]

Pope Paul VI did something with his personal tiara, but I don’t know for sure what. It still exists, and I think it is sitting in a museum.

However, there are many Papal tiaras in the possesion of the Vatican. I believe the oldest one still in existance is from the 16th Century.

They still crown the statue of St. Peter in the Vatican with a Papal tiara. If Pope Benedict XVI wanted to wear the tiara, there are certainly some left or he could even have his own one made.

Check out this site, has pictures of the tiaras and some good info about them-

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoration_of_the_Papal_Tiara

 

[baltobetsy]

The Papal tiara of Paul VI is on display at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C. To quote from the guidebook:

“Less than four months after his June 30, 1963 coronation Pope Paul VI laid this tiara on the altar of St. Peter’s and announced that he was giving it to the poor of the world. Cardinal Spellman requested the honor of obtaining the tiara and putting it to use for the poor. In recognition of the generosity of the American people to the hungry and dispossessed peoples of the world, the request was granted. On February 6, 1968, Archbishop Luigi Raimondi, Apostolic Delegate to the United States, in his presentation of the papal tiara to the National Shrine, spoke of the Pope’s action on that November day in 1964 as a manifestation of the ‘renunciation of human glory and power’ and as ‘the new spirit of the Church purified.’ The tiara is displayed at this church of pilgrimage, as a perennial invitation to follow the path marked by the Vicar of Christ. The Shrine contributes annually to the Holy Father’s fund for the poor.”

Betsy