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Sheep. Ah-OOOOOH. I mean, baaaa baaaa
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BillP
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So you ARE okay with religious discrimination aslong as you’re not the one being discriminated against?
How would you have responded as a Catholic to this situation:
pbs.org/kcet/publicschool/photo_gallery/photo2.html
Especially if there were truancy laws that forced you to send your kids there.
How woould you have responded had you lived in the UK between the 16th and 19th Centuries when laws like these existed:
law.umn.edu/irishlaw/chron-georges.html#anchor293506
But, hey Freedom of Religion is overrated and “those who aren’t for the lord are against him”. Question is: whose Lord? Hint: in the US only 23% of the Population is Catholic. Do you really want the “other” 77% perscribing religious observence for us?
You should be on your knees every night thanking God that you live in a country with the First Amendment and the ACLU to enforce it.
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They both STEEEEEEEENK!!
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BillP
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Yeah that about covers it.
The reason we don’t have that here is the 1st Amendment and the vigilance of organizations like the ACLU.
And don’t kid yourself that “all that happneed in the past”. It is STILL against the law for member of England’s Royal Family to marry a Catholic.
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No, I mean both the First Amendment and the ACLU steeeeeenk.
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Trelow
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Methinks you don’t understand what " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means. You have bought into the communist doctrine of “separation of church and state.”
Methinks you don’t understand what " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means. You have bought into the communist doctrine of “separation of church and state.”
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“[B said:
Maybe you need to get some HEPA filter inserts for your nose.
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Traditional_Ang
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Neo Canaan:
Hopefully, my relationship with God is one of Gratitude like the Leper who was healed who came back to praise God and thank the Lord for what He had done for him. Our Lord Jesus said that He came that we might have life and have it more abundantly.
During the times when all I’ve been concerned about is avoiding hell, my relationship with God was pretty joyless and loveless and lacked Gratitude, because I will never had forgotten the great things the Lord had done for me.
If that’s what we’re preaching to Hollywood and to the people who are dying in their sins, the Gospel we’re preaching is powerless to save, because it’s not the Gospel of Jesus Christ and it’s not the Gospel of the power of God with the power to deliver from sin and from death.
If that’s what you want to preach, it’s not what the Church preaches, and I want no part of it.
*The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
1 Cor. 1:18, 22-24 NAB*
If we preach the Gospel of Christ crucified and risen from the dead and have new Christians baptized in the Spirit, the fruit is pretty predictable.
The results of a life lived in the flesh are also predictable.
*I say, then: live by the Spirit and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh. For the flesh has desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you may not do what you want. But if you are guided by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
Now those who belong to Christ (Jesus) have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit.
Galatians 5:16-25 NAB*
This is the Gospel we need to preach, not fear of hell. Hell exists, but that isn’t why I love God.
Your Brother in Christ, Michael
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John_Higgins
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Congratulations, Neo, this topic is about the farthest out premise I’ve read since I joined this forum. Good job!
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Bill:
The fight to keep the cross was also led by two Jews, Dennis Prager. and Michael Medved. Dennis is an Observant Conservative Jew who teaches Torah to Rabbis and Rabbinical students, and Michael is an Observant Orthodox Jew who was the President of the Venice Synagogue and is the President of his Synagogue in Seattle.
The same thing two were among those leading the fight to save the small cross in the Los Angeles County Seal after the LA county Board of Surpervisors refused to fight the threat of a lawsuit from the ACLU and unilaterally decided to remove it in spite of 1,000’s of requests from citizens to let the citizens vote on the issue. One Demonstration was led by a local Rabbi who kept blowing his Shofar…
The Jews should have their sacrifices commemorated by the USA, along with any other people who’ve sacrificed themselves fighting for our freedom, but the appropriate way to do that isn’t to destroy our historical symbols whenever people are offended by them…
Can’t you see that placing a Menorrah or the Star of David honors the Jews who gave their lives for our country, while removing the Cross honors no one and only proves that the Majority in this country has Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion only if someone isn’t OFFENDED?
How does removing the majority’s symbols when members of various minorities are offended help people to get along and to appreciate each other’s culture and religion?..
How does that equate with the question you asked above? And, What symbol of Protestantism is inimical to Catholicism except for Free Masonry? Or, are you more ashamed of the Cross than Dennis Prager, Michael Medved and the Rabbi who blew his shofar during the demonstration?
Your Brother in Christ, Michael
The fight to keep the cross was also led by two Jews, Dennis Prager. and Michael Medved. Dennis is an Observant Conservative Jew who teaches Torah to Rabbis and Rabbinical students, and Michael is an Observant Orthodox Jew who was the President of the Venice Synagogue and is the President of his Synagogue in Seattle.
The same thing two were among those leading the fight to save the small cross in the Los Angeles County Seal after the LA county Board of Surpervisors refused to fight the threat of a lawsuit from the ACLU and unilaterally decided to remove it in spite of 1,000’s of requests from citizens to let the citizens vote on the issue. One Demonstration was led by a local Rabbi who kept blowing his Shofar…
…There is no such thing as the right not to be offended, and we shouldn’t tear down our history just because someone complains. The cross on Mt. Soledad had been placed there as an expression of gratitude and in the hopes that people in the future might be reminded that their freedom wasn’t free.
The Jews should have their sacrifices commemorated by the USA, along with any other people who’ve sacrificed themselves fighting for our freedom, but the appropriate way to do that isn’t to destroy our historical symbols whenever people are offended by them…
…It’s to COMMEMORATE the sacrifices of the people who made them in an appropriate fashion and to place the markers in a place where all Americans can see what they did and thank them for their sacrifices. I would much rather see a Menorrah or a Mogen David Adom alongside the Cross on Mount Soledad with a plague in Hebrew and English at bottom listing th names of the Jewish soldiers burried at the cemetery along with the Kaddish or Mourner’s Prayer than to see the Cross Removed.
Can’t you see that placing a Menorrah or the Star of David honors the Jews who gave their lives for our country, while removing the Cross honors no one and only proves that the Majority in this country has Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion only if someone isn’t OFFENDED?
How does removing the majority’s symbols when members of various minorities are offended help people to get along and to appreciate each other’s culture and religion?..
…Bill, that’s not the question here, because the Cross was a symbol, not only of PROSTANTISM, but of ALL OF CHRISTIANITY, Catholicsm, Orthodoxy, Protestantism and of all of the sects that split off before the Great Schism.
How does that equate with the question you asked above? And, What symbol of Protestantism is inimical to Catholicism except for Free Masonry? Or, are you more ashamed of the Cross than Dennis Prager, Michael Medved and the Rabbi who blew his shofar during the demonstration?
Your Brother in Christ, Michael
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Sheeniac
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I think Neo is a troll.
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Michael_Francis
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Julian_Peters
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