Banning non-approved mysticism.

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I have read the list of banned subjects and I find one number 26 unreasonable.

Promoting unapproved apparitions and revelations (those not approved by the Church for private or public devotion) or alleged private locution.

I have a question? Before appraritions and revelations were approved they were un approved but discussed publically enough to promote living saints and move the church to study the unapproved revelations, mystical events and miracles. The Holy Spirit working miraculously amoung His children is and has always been one of the great riches of our faith present since the first Apostolic Pentecost.

If this were true long ago St. Dominic could not have promoted the Rosary, (unapproved vision) St Theresa could not have promoted here spirituality until over 100 years after her death. St John of the Cross could not have written a word anyone was allowed to discuss. ETC >>>ad nauseum

If we do not allow people to discuss the dynamic of the mystical side of chrisitianity today until it has already been approved we will never recongnize the immediate mystical life of the church living today through miracles, ecstacies, visions and revelations that are given by God for the edification of the people of God as much today as in the past, perhaps they are even more common, because they are becoming more needed.

After all we must have our own share of Catholics on the road to holiness who are in possession of the same or simialar mysticisms and charisms as the saints of the middle ages. Perhaps this banned subject could be rephrased to include all condemned revelations such as Bayside. What do you think?

Or rephrasing it so that current mystical events must be clearly stated as being non-approved and let the truth or deception of modern visionaries or mystics expose themselves to reasonable scrutiny. To reject across the board all alledged visions, miracles, mysticisms etc is to reject the life of the Holy Spirit among us. That would be truly a sad position for any discussion group calling itself catholic but having up front a mind closed to current Divine activity.

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A lot of those saints would have been banned from forums too until their visions had been proven to have come from the Holy Spirit, not any other kind of spirit 😉 And that’s up to Bishops and Popes to prove, not moderators.

Jesus constantly told people (and spirits) to be quiet and not say anything - until he decided to tell his chosen to go and preach. I don’t think that’s a role of moderators either.

So if we think we have a vision the first and only person we should tell is our priest, and he should run immediately to the Bishop, or suggest medical intervention/counselling if he believes the visions are due to a psychological or medical issue.
 
The unapproved visions cause great dissension and strife. It’s a matter of practicality. Some people (like me) believe Medjugorje to be a complete and obvious fraud, as was competently determined by the bishop with jurisdiction. Others believe in it with such fervor as to approach fanaticism, to take two opposite ends of the spectrum.

Thus, allowing discussion causes great dissension and strife. Allowing discussion of approved locution and apparition is allowed, because, even if some believe it or don’t, there is an ultimate authority - the Church - which says, “it is acceptable to believe in this”.
 
triumphguy said:
A lot of those saints would have been banned from forums too until their visions had been proven to have come from the Holy Spirit, not any other kind of spirit 😉 And that’s up to Bishops and Popes to prove, not moderators.

I was just wondering how the bishops and Popes prove it, thank you.🙂
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There’s other rules I don’t quite agree with either but I do see them as necessary to keep the peace on this forum.
 
MysticMansion said:
I have read the list of banned subjects and I find one number 26 unreasonable.

Promoting unapproved apparitions and revelations (those not approved by the Church for private or public devotion) or alleged private locution.

I have a question? Before appraritions and revelations were approved they were un approved but discussed publically enough to promote living saints and move the church to study the unapproved revelations, mystical events and miracles. The Holy Spirit working miraculously amoung His children is and has always been one of the great riches of our faith present since the first Apostolic Pentecost.

If this were true long ago St. Dominic could not have promoted the Rosary, (unapproved vision) St Theresa could not have promoted here spirituality until over 100 years after her death. St John of the Cross could not have written a word anyone was allowed to discuss. ETC >>>ad nauseum

If we do not allow people to discuss the dynamic of the mystical side of chrisitianity today until it has already been approved we will never recongnize the immediate mystical life of the church living today through miracles, ecstacies, visions and revelations that are given by God for the edification of the people of God as much today as in the past, perhaps they are even more common, because they are becoming more needed.

After all we must have our own share of Catholics on the road to holiness who are in possession of the same or simialar mysticisms and charisms as the saints of the middle ages. Perhaps this banned subject could be rephrased to include all condemned revelations such as Bayside. What do you think?

Or rephrasing it so that current mystical events must be clearly stated as being non-approved and let the truth or deception of modern visionaries or mystics expose themselves to reasonable scrutiny. To reject across the board all alledged visions, miracles, mysticisms etc is to reject the life of the Holy Spirit among us. That would be truly a sad position for any discussion group calling itself catholic but having up front a mind closed to current Divine activity.

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I’m relatively new to the forum, but could it be that the answer to the basic thrust of your post is in the bolded word promoting?

Does this forum disallow all discussion, or does it merely disallow aggressive advocacy?

In one of my first posts, I made mention of a subject not many people here agree with and even linked to a couple of past threads on the subject, but nobody got on my case for it.

That said, I have yet to really explore large parts of this forum, and some of what I’ve seen in the Social Justice forum is rather baffling to me, so I’m not claiming to have any answers here. I will need to read quite a bit more before I feel like I really understand this part of the forum.
 
It seems some moderators do not understand the difference between a vision and a public apparitiion. Totally different.

By the way, there is absolutely no difference between the visions of a mystic and the conversion experience of a new convert both are mystical events.

Putting all mystical experience on the same level as public apparitions is like claiming all sins are mortal. That is even a sin against the eight commandment of bearing false witness against your neighbour, if you claim a venial sin is mortal.

I have absolutely no problem with accepting the decision of the moderators of the forum but if we ban all discussion of acutal events not approved by the church get rid of the name Catholic and Forum and just call it a fundamentalist inquisition because that is right along the lines of the thinking of the sedavanctists. We will not accept new ideas, or spiritual direction because we can pretend history has not happened. Whether current of past history.

All saints talked openly about their mystical expereince or we wouldnt even know about them.
They worked miracles, discussed their experience and turned the two into their method of spreading the good news. The same is true of the apostles whose miracles had more to do with conversions then their laws.

People begin with the marvelous and are lead to the truth that is why the marvelous activity of the Holy Spirit must always be open for Catholic discussion.
 
Just another quick thought. There has been more strife created this last forty years by poor theologians then all the false public apparitions throughout time.
 
Isn’t there some kind of rule against discussing actions of the moderators?
 
those saints are not members of this forum. If they join, they too will be subject to the rules.
 
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